Road Tax on EV's

Jenni_D

My spidey senses are tingling that more FUD is soon to follow if anyone answers the above post.

Herzlos

MouldyOldDough said:

DrEskimo said:

Jenni_D said:

DrEskimo said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Herzlos said:

RichardD1970 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

I would not touch an MG3 with a 10 foot barge pole - they are outdated and polliuting - they are cheaply made and cheaply driven - they should not have been allowed to desecrate the name of a once great UK name.

Do they even offer an AUTOMATIC version ?- doesn't  look like it

They are like an Allegro, or Marina was in terms of modernity and design - ie) 20 years out of date. I mean dear god - a 105bhp 1.5 naturally aspirated engine.

I would spend my £12k on a 3 year old Suzuki Swift or similar.

Thought this thread was about EV? So what has an MG3, a car that is getting on for 15 years old, got to do with anything? 

That was my fault. Mouldy was trying to imply that EVs were vastly more expensive than combustion by trying to compare a £35k EV to a £14k ICE and I pointed out that the base spec MG3 is one of the only cars available in his budget. 

I believe that it was at least 10 new cars for £14k but also with a 3 year warranty which your second hand EV's will sadly lack 

My 2yr old used EV had 2yrs remaining on the original warranty and I have extended for the last 2yrs for just £300/yr.

Battery is under warranty for 8yrs so still have till Jan 2025 for that.

£300/yr is £25/month ... is the warranty extension good value for that outlay?

Well so far no, as it's been trouble free!

But I've seen how much the motor replacement of AC unit or charging unit can cost. Besides, you can't get it again if it lapses so will help resale.

It's from Renault so similar to the manufacturer warranty.

How much are replacement motors / charging units then ?

Far less than new engines.  Stop this nonsense.

Grumpy_chap

Herzlos said:

MouldyOldDough said:

DrEskimo said:

Jenni_D said:

DrEskimo said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Herzlos said:

RichardD1970 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

I would not touch an MG3 with a 10 foot barge pole - they are outdated and polliuting - they are cheaply made and cheaply driven - they should not have been allowed to desecrate the name of a once great UK name.

Do they even offer an AUTOMATIC version ?- doesn't  look like it

They are like an Allegro, or Marina was in terms of modernity and design - ie) 20 years out of date. I mean dear god - a 105bhp 1.5 naturally aspirated engine.

I would spend my £12k on a 3 year old Suzuki Swift or similar.

Thought this thread was about EV? So what has an MG3, a car that is getting on for 15 years old, got to do with anything? 

That was my fault. Mouldy was trying to imply that EVs were vastly more expensive than combustion by trying to compare a £35k EV to a £14k ICE and I pointed out that the base spec MG3 is one of the only cars available in his budget. 

I believe that it was at least 10 new cars for £14k but also with a 3 year warranty which your second hand EV's will sadly lack 

My 2yr old used EV had 2yrs remaining on the original warranty and I have extended for the last 2yrs for just £300/yr.

Battery is under warranty for 8yrs so still have till Jan 2025 for that.

£300/yr is £25/month ... is the warranty extension good value for that outlay?

Well so far no, as it's been trouble free!

But I've seen how much the motor replacement of AC unit or charging unit can cost. Besides, you can't get it again if it lapses so will help resale.

It's from Renault so similar to the manufacturer warranty.

How much are replacement motors / charging units then ?

Far less than new engines.  Stop this nonsense.

From a technical perspective, wouldn't a new engine be more akin to a new battery?

Jenni_D

Grumpy_chap said:

Herzlos said:

MouldyOldDough said:

DrEskimo said:

Jenni_D said:

DrEskimo said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Herzlos said:

RichardD1970 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

I would not touch an MG3 with a 10 foot barge pole - they are outdated and polliuting - they are cheaply made and cheaply driven - they should not have been allowed to desecrate the name of a once great UK name.

Do they even offer an AUTOMATIC version ?- doesn't  look like it

They are like an Allegro, or Marina was in terms of modernity and design - ie) 20 years out of date. I mean dear god - a 105bhp 1.5 naturally aspirated engine.

I would spend my £12k on a 3 year old Suzuki Swift or similar.

Thought this thread was about EV? So what has an MG3, a car that is getting on for 15 years old, got to do with anything? 

That was my fault. Mouldy was trying to imply that EVs were vastly more expensive than combustion by trying to compare a £35k EV to a £14k ICE and I pointed out that the base spec MG3 is one of the only cars available in his budget. 

I believe that it was at least 10 new cars for £14k but also with a 3 year warranty which your second hand EV's will sadly lack 

My 2yr old used EV had 2yrs remaining on the original warranty and I have extended for the last 2yrs for just £300/yr.

Battery is under warranty for 8yrs so still have till Jan 2025 for that.

£300/yr is £25/month ... is the warranty extension good value for that outlay?

Well so far no, as it's been trouble free!

But I've seen how much the motor replacement of AC unit or charging unit can cost. Besides, you can't get it again if it lapses so will help resale.

It's from Renault so similar to the manufacturer warranty.

How much are replacement motors / charging units then ?

Far less than new engines.  Stop this nonsense.

From a technical perspective, wouldn't a new engine be more akin to a new battery?

No ... taking things literally, the battery = fuel; the motor = engine. (Although the lines are slightly blurred in that the battery is more like the fuel tank, and the fuel is electricity).

DrEskimo

MouldyOldDough said:

DrEskimo said:

Jenni_D said:

DrEskimo said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Herzlos said:

RichardD1970 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

I would not touch an MG3 with a 10 foot barge pole - they are outdated and polliuting - they are cheaply made and cheaply driven - they should not have been allowed to desecrate the name of a once great UK name.

Do they even offer an AUTOMATIC version ?- doesn't  look like it

They are like an Allegro, or Marina was in terms of modernity and design - ie) 20 years out of date. I mean dear god - a 105bhp 1.5 naturally aspirated engine.

I would spend my £12k on a 3 year old Suzuki Swift or similar.

Thought this thread was about EV? So what has an MG3, a car that is getting on for 15 years old, got to do with anything? 

That was my fault. Mouldy was trying to imply that EVs were vastly more expensive than combustion by trying to compare a £35k EV to a £14k ICE and I pointed out that the base spec MG3 is one of the only cars available in his budget. 

I believe that it was at least 10 new cars for £14k but also with a 3 year warranty which your second hand EV's will sadly lack 

My 2yr old used EV had 2yrs remaining on the original warranty and I have extended for the last 2yrs for just £300/yr.

Battery is under warranty for 8yrs so still have till Jan 2025 for that.

£300/yr is £25/month ... is the warranty extension good value for that outlay?

Well so far no, as it's been trouble free!

But I've seen how much the motor replacement of AC unit or charging unit can cost. Besides, you can't get it again if it lapses so will help resale.

It's from Renault so similar to the manufacturer warranty.

How much are replacement motors / charging units then ?

About the same as it cost to get the engine sorted on my 5yr old Audi 2.0TFSI that had the very common oil consumption issue...

Herzlos

Grumpy_chap said:

Herzlos said:

MouldyOldDough said:

DrEskimo said:

Jenni_D said:

DrEskimo said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Herzlos said:

RichardD1970 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

I would not touch an MG3 with a 10 foot barge pole - they are outdated and polliuting - they are cheaply made and cheaply driven - they should not have been allowed to desecrate the name of a once great UK name.

Do they even offer an AUTOMATIC version ?- doesn't  look like it

They are like an Allegro, or Marina was in terms of modernity and design - ie) 20 years out of date. I mean dear god - a 105bhp 1.5 naturally aspirated engine.

I would spend my £12k on a 3 year old Suzuki Swift or similar.

Thought this thread was about EV? So what has an MG3, a car that is getting on for 15 years old, got to do with anything? 

That was my fault. Mouldy was trying to imply that EVs were vastly more expensive than combustion by trying to compare a £35k EV to a £14k ICE and I pointed out that the base spec MG3 is one of the only cars available in his budget. 

I believe that it was at least 10 new cars for £14k but also with a 3 year warranty which your second hand EV's will sadly lack 

My 2yr old used EV had 2yrs remaining on the original warranty and I have extended for the last 2yrs for just £300/yr.

Battery is under warranty for 8yrs so still have till Jan 2025 for that.

£300/yr is £25/month ... is the warranty extension good value for that outlay?

Well so far no, as it's been trouble free!

But I've seen how much the motor replacement of AC unit or charging unit can cost. Besides, you can't get it again if it lapses so will help resale.

It's from Renault so similar to the manufacturer warranty.

How much are replacement motors / charging units then ?

Far less than new engines.  Stop this nonsense.

From a technical perspective, wouldn't a new engine be more akin to a new battery?

From a cost/size point of view, yes. Both would be in the £5k+ replacement range.

From a technical one the engine and motor do the same thing, but the motor only has 1 moving non-servicable part and is much smaller. Some EVs have a motor for each wheel.

But due to the simpler nature of them, a motor or battery should outlast most engines because there isn't anything to wear or leak.

surfer91919

Herzlos said:

Thrugelmir said:

 Building EV's isn't green in itself. 

Nothing is particularly green, but EV's result in cleaner air where the car is, and most of the nasties of manufacture can be done somewhere else.

The greenest approaches are trains / trams / trolley busses with overhead power (so no batteries) or bicycles, but given that'll never happen, cities air quality will be hugely improved by replacing combustion cars with electric.

The Govt seem to be doing an "all their eggs in one basket" approach to making motoring greener.
As you say public transport is the greenest approach but car use, especially in rural areas is inevitable and essential. Try towing 1.5 tons all day with an EV lol.

There are major environmental and ethical issues with lithium mining not to mention the fact it's a finite resource Recycling of spent lithium batteries is also expensive/ energy hungry. That said I think they are essential in polluted cities right now to save lives.

When you balance out embodied carbon and running emissions it seems to that the greenest car is the one you're driving now.

I drive a 25 yr old Merc, but it has run on recycled waste rapeseed oil for the last 12 yrs. I still pay £290 a year VED due to its alleged carbon emissions despite waste rapeseed oil being largely carbon neutral (atleast 60% carbon neutral).

I think a multi pronged approach would be better until more sustainable battery technology is available. Run petrol cars on hydrogen with a conversion kit similar to an LPG kit, run old diesels on chip fat, newer diesels on biodiesel and focus on using electric cars in cities and hopefully more sustainable battery technology will come along.

Petriix

surfer91919 said:

When you balance out embodied carbon and running emissions it seems to that the greenest car is the one you're driving now.

That's objectively untrue. The carbon footprint of manufacturing a complete EV will be totally offset within 50k miles of not burning fossil fuels (not to mention mining, transporting and refining them). But that's also ignoring the fact that the batteries aren't consumed during the life of the EV and will still be useful for decades to come, even at 50% capacity after 20 years of use. Then they're over 90% recyclable.

[Deleted User]

I’m hijacking the thread as I don’t know how to create a new thread! 

I believe these ev Tarrifs are only available for existing customers?  My current (no pun intended) energy provider which is Soenergy do not do ev Tarrifs. 

I’m paying 19p a kw at the moment on a fixed deal which will end in august when I go on the price cap. If i stay on that I reckon my dual fuel annual bill will jump from £1k to nearly £3k. 

I do not have a smart meter but I do have a home smart charger. I am on the ‘waiting list’ for a smart meter. 

Does anyone have any advice? 

Car_54

Deleted_User said:

I’m hijacking the thread as I don’t know how to create a new thread! 

On the left-hand side of your screen, near the top there's a big red button marked "Create Post" ...