Leaving date issue

Baled

Undervalued said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Baled said:

I handed in my notice yesterday to my manager.  My contract states the notice period during probation is 2 weeks.

In the email I sent yesterday I asked my manager to confirm my leaving date - to my mind my final day would be 3rd March.

The post was dated 18th Feb, Friday so you handed your notice in on Thursday 17th.

2 weeks notice from 17th would mean last day of work Thursday 3rd March.

Why did you ask your Manager to confirm your leaving date?  That seems to infer some lack of confidence on the date and / or a willingness to agree a different date.  For the company, leaving dates aligned with payroll are helpful.

No.

Technically notice begins the day after it is issued. 

That would make my last day Friday 4th March.

As it happens, a colleague in a different department who is also on probation handed in her notice the same day as me so I'll check with her on Monday what response she got.

I think in the end, I will probably have to go with the suggestion of working Thursday 3rd March as my last day and just hope I'll get paid correctly.

Undervalued

Baled said:

Undervalued said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Baled said:

I handed in my notice yesterday to my manager.  My contract states the notice period during probation is 2 weeks.

In the email I sent yesterday I asked my manager to confirm my leaving date - to my mind my final day would be 3rd March.

The post was dated 18th Feb, Friday so you handed your notice in on Thursday 17th.

2 weeks notice from 17th would mean last day of work Thursday 3rd March.

Why did you ask your Manager to confirm your leaving date?  That seems to infer some lack of confidence on the date and / or a willingness to agree a different date.  For the company, leaving dates aligned with payroll are helpful.

No.

Technically notice begins the day after it is issued. 

That would make my last day Friday 4th March.

As it happens, a colleague in a different department who is also on probation handed in her notice the same day as me so I'll check with her on Monday what response she got.

I think in the end, I will probably have to go with the suggestion of working Thursday 3rd March as my last day and just hope I'll get paid correctly.

Nothing stops the company from taking a more relaxed view and accepting a day's less notice. Equally they may not fully understand the technical position.

General_Grant

Undervalued said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Baled said:

I handed in my notice yesterday to my manager.  My contract states the notice period during probation is 2 weeks.

In the email I sent yesterday I asked my manager to confirm my leaving date - to my mind my final day would be 3rd March.

The post was dated 18th Feb, Friday so you handed your notice in on Thursday 17th.

2 weeks notice from 17th would mean last day of work Thursday 3rd March.

Why did you ask your Manager to confirm your leaving date?  That seems to infer some lack of confidence on the date and / or a willingness to agree a different date.  For the company, leaving dates aligned with payroll are helpful.

No.

Technically notice begins the day after it is issued. 

Well, given @Grumpy_chap still said last day of work would be Thursday, 3 March, they were correct.  And as proposed by OP and my original response.

General_Grant

Baled said:

Undervalued said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Baled said:

I handed in my notice yesterday to my manager.  My contract states the notice period during probation is 2 weeks.

In the email I sent yesterday I asked my manager to confirm my leaving date - to my mind my final day would be 3rd March.

The post was dated 18th Feb, Friday so you handed your notice in on Thursday 17th.

2 weeks notice from 17th would mean last day of work Thursday 3rd March.

Why did you ask your Manager to confirm your leaving date?  That seems to infer some lack of confidence on the date and / or a willingness to agree a different date.  For the company, leaving dates aligned with payroll are helpful.

No.

Technically notice begins the day after it is issued. 

That would make my last day Friday 4th March.

As it happens, a colleague in a different department who is also on probation handed in her notice the same day as me so I'll check with her on Monday what response she got.

I think in the end, I will probably have to go with the suggestion of working Thursday 3rd March as my last day and just hope I'll get paid correctly.

No - you gave notice on 17 February.  The two weeks started on  Friday, 18 February, and your last day as an employee would be 3 March.

NCC1701-A

So 5 days leave so far, planning another 3 before leaving = 8 days.

you're entitlement is 3 months of 12 months, so a quarter of total annual leave. 

 

25 days + 8BH = 33 days total. 

Quarter of 33 says is 8.25. So your 8 days is correct, whether you want to argue over quarter day is up to you.

As others have said, your last day is 3 March and your employer can (not will) cancel or move your leave if they give you sufficient notice and might comment on it in any future reference (as long as what they say is truthful).

only you can say whether it's all worth the hassle.

getmore4less

Baled said:

The leave entitlement is more my concern, I just want to work out where I stand with that.

Lets deal with the holiday.

This is what the law says about accrual 
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/1833/regulation/15A

and the calculation when leaving.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/1833/regulation/14

Holiday accrues at 1/12 on the 1st of the month in the first year of employment(limited to the full amount/prorata if leaving)
(for excess over statutory they can have their own rules)

you do not have to work full months to accrue holiday

Holiday is 25+BH  33 days

Holiday year Jan-Dec.  1 Jan to 3rd March is 62 days

62/365 = 4.75 days(statutory)  or 5.61 for 33 days.

can do weeks and days ~8.8/52  4.74/5.58

That covers this holiday year.

Previous holiday in the previous holiday year what was the agreement as you took more days than accrued.

Could have been paid, or unpaid but only taken from the following year by agreement and only out of the excess over statutory.

Dec accrues 2.38(statutory) or 2.80 for 33 

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Baled

General_Grant said:

Baled said:

Undervalued said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Baled said:

I handed in my notice yesterday to my manager.  My contract states the notice period during probation is 2 weeks.

In the email I sent yesterday I asked my manager to confirm my leaving date - to my mind my final day would be 3rd March.

The post was dated 18th Feb, Friday so you handed your notice in on Thursday 17th.

2 weeks notice from 17th would mean last day of work Thursday 3rd March.

Why did you ask your Manager to confirm your leaving date?  That seems to infer some lack of confidence on the date and / or a willingness to agree a different date.  For the company, leaving dates aligned with payroll are helpful.

No.

Technically notice begins the day after it is issued. 

That would make my last day Friday 4th March.

As it happens, a colleague in a different department who is also on probation handed in her notice the same day as me so I'll check with her on Monday what response she got.

I think in the end, I will probably have to go with the suggestion of working Thursday 3rd March as my last day and just hope I'll get paid correctly.

No - you gave notice on 17 February.  The two weeks started on  Friday, 18 February, and your last day as an employee would be 3 March.

Thank you for clarifying that. 

Baled

getmore4less said:

Baled said:

The leave entitlement is more my concern, I just want to work out where I stand with that.

Lets deal with the holiday.

This is what the law says about accrual 
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/1833/regulation/15A

and the calculation when leaving.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/1833/regulation/14

Holiday accrues at 1/12 on the 1st of the month in the first year of employment(limited to the full amount/prorata if leaving)
(for excess over statutory they can have their own rules)

you do not have to work full months to accrue holiday

Holiday is 25+BH  33 days

Holiday year Jan-Dec.  1 Jan to 3rd March is 62 days

62/365 = 4.75 days(statutory)  or 5.61 for 33 days.

can do weeks and days ~8.8/52  4.74/5.58

That covers this holiday year.

Previous holiday in the previous holiday year what was the agreement as you took more days than accrued.

Could have been paid, or unpaid but only taken from the following year by agreement and only out of the excess over statutory.

Dec accrues 2.38(statutory) or 2.80 for 33 

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This is where it gets really strange as the internal Workday system has carried over 0.5 days from last year (I think this is a system default as other colleagues who started just before me have had the same carry over)

From the breakdown on my payslips they have paid me the 2 prebooked December days as annual leave days and put the December bank hols in my basic pay. 

HR have not spoken about last year's leave although maybe payroll will deduct it from my final pay...