Employment History of deceased person

Marcon

jamesd said:

A subject access request is part of data protection law and that law gives living people or their representatives a right to access their data. After death the freedom of information law replaces the data protection law as it's impossible for a deceased person to be requesting their own records personally or by proxy. A personal representative (estate executor or administrator) may still be able to get some information on request, just not by using a SAR.

DWP has its flaws but they aren't likely to include fulfilling a SAR for a person they know to be deceased and hence unable to make one.

If they haven't joined the dots (perish the thought) it's worth a go...

Marcon

gozaimasu said:

Marcon said:

See https://www.tax.service.gov.uk/shortforms/form/DPU_SAR_NI?_ga=2.230026460.1544670040.1621021753-1315656139.1609178084 (note the sentence that if you are applying on behalf of someone else, you need to apply in writing - you can't do it online).

This is very useful. Do you know if they have any other online forms for SARs? I find the tax website extremely user unfriendly.

Yes. See https://www.tax.service.gov.uk/shortforms/form/DPU_SAR?_ga=2.31964538.597242803.1632144652-1315656139.1609178084 and scroll down to see the various items you can ask about online.

jamesd

squirrelpie said:

As I understand it, pensions aren't part of a person's estate, so aren't relevant for an executor or an administrator of that estate. Maybe that's why it's difficult to find any relevant information? It isn't relevant!

They aren't normally part of an estate but they can be and the personal representative is going to be expected to check and is the person who will have whatever legal authority is need to get whatever information is available for a deceased person, in part so the pension firm knows.

Pension firms themselves normally get reports of deaths via official channels and that will normally trigger followup enquiries.

drumtochty

The government provides these listings for those with a legal reason to use the data re deaths of people in the UK.

 

There are a number of companies that buy this data from the government.

 

They then in turn receive the details of people in company pension schemes from employers who are interested. These companies compare the data and then inform the pension schemes who pay for their services of possible company pensioners on the deceased listing.

 

The company I worked for in 2008 was using one of the companies that provided such a service then.

 

One name did appear as deceased where my employer was still paying the deceased persons pension.

 

The company contacted the deceased persons bank and the bank had a good idea who was withdrawing monies from the deceased persons bank account. It appeared the withdrawer of the monies found that the game was up and stopped withdrawing monies from the deceased persons bank account.

 

As nothing could be proved, the bank could not give out any details. The company stopped paying the deceased persons pension and the received no complaints from the deceased. At that time there was no such service in place from overseas for company pensioners who had moved abroad and had company pensions in payment.

brownie03

macca163 said:

My brother passed away recently at 49 and I am looking after his estate. I can't find a record of his employment to find any pension contributions he made. There is an HMRC form for obtaining employment history of a deceased person but they will only provide the information in cases if claims/accidents - I have been back to them multiple times and got nothing. Does anyone know how to find employment history back earlier than 5 years? 

Hi Macca, just wondering if you found another way to get the deceased full employment history other than being in an accident, fatal injury etc.