Holiday allowance

Scotbot

I have been offered a job working 4 days a week, 6 hours a day, a 24 hour week. Full time employees work  5 days a week for 8 hours a day , a 40 hour week and get 25 days holiday a year. This equals 200 hours per year. 

 My contract states the holiday allowance would be 15 days. I understand this has to be pro rata equivalent of full timers so surely it should be 20 days (4/5 x25) Or 120 hours (24/40 ×200)?  
When I queried it I was told the benfeit was 15 x 6 hour days or 90 hours.

I would be paid on tbe basis of a 6 hours a day for 4 days so 24 hours.

Am I correct that the contract should state 20 days holiday?  This does  not include Bank holidays as they  are a separate benefit item in the contract

moneysavinghero

According to this calculator
https://www.gov.uk/calculate-your-holiday-entitlement/y/hours-worked-per-week/full-year/24.0/4.0
It came out at 134.4 hours. (but that will include bank holidays)

134.4 divided by 6 hour days = 22.4 days minus 8 bank holidays = 14.4 days.
So the 15 days in your contract seem correct to me.

getmore4less

You need to go back and ask them how they get 15 days, how many of the BH do you get and what happens if a BH falls on your non working day or you work one. 

Can only guess from here one obvious option might be they add all the BH back on.
lets go with FT  = 25+8  = 33
prorata would be 33*4/5 = 26.4  ,  15+8= 23  3.4 days short it's not that.

Scotbot

moneysavinghero said:

According to this calculator
https://www.gov.uk/calculate-your-holiday-entitlement/y/hours-worked-per-week/full-year/24.0/4.0
It came out at 134.4 hours. (but that will include bank holidays)

Thanks I believe that calcultor is based on the legal minimum of 28 days inc bank holidays. The company offers 33 days so the pro rata calculation including bank holidays is  is 26.4 days. Or 158.4  hours.

getmore4less

moneysavinghero said:

Scotbot said:

moneysavinghero said:

According to this calculator
https://www.gov.uk/calculate-your-holiday-entitlement/y/hours-worked-per-week/full-year/24.0/4.0
It came out at 134.4 hours. (but that will include bank holidays)

Thanks I believe that calcultor is based on the legal minimum of 28 days inc bank holidays. The company offers 33 days so the pro rata calculation including bank holidays is  is 26.4 days. Or 158.4  hours.

No, the company offers you 15 days holidays + bank holidays. This is what is in your contract, this is what they are offering you. This complies with the legal minimum that they need to offer you. You need to decide whether you want to accept the contract, negotiate or walk away.

They are free to offer different employees different contracts if they so wish.

could be prorata stat minimum 22.4  (15+8 rounded up)

falls foul of the part time worker regulations.

Scotbot

getmore4less said:

You need to go back and ask them how they get 15 days, how many of the BH do you get and what happens if a BH falls on your non working day or you work one. 

Can only guess from here one obvious option might be they add all the BH back on.
lets go with FT  = 25+8  = 33
prorata would be 33*4/5 = 26.4  ,  15+8= 23  3.4 days short it's not that.

Full time contract is 40 hours a week I will be working 24 hours which is 60% of an FTE. So they have taken 25 days and multiplied it by 0.6 to get 15.  
However  an FTE gets paid for an 8 hour day  but they have also factored the hours paid down by 0.6. So an FTE gets 25 x 8 hour days paid holiday which is 200 hours but I am being offered 15 x 6 hours which is 90 hours. That is less than 60% of an FTE which would be 120 hours,  it is only 45%.
I thought you could pro rata hours or days but not both given the salary has already been reduced by 40%
They have done the same for bank holidays and offered 5 instead of 8

Scotbot

moneysavinghero said:

According to this calculator
https://www.gov.uk/calculate-your-holiday-entitlement/y/hours-worked-per-week/full-year/24.0/4.0
It came out at 134.4 hours. (but that will include bank holidays)

134.4 divided by 6 hour days = 22.4 days minus 8 bank holidays = 14.4 days.
So the 15 days in your contract seem correct to me.

They are offering 5 days bank holiday not 8  so that is 20 days holiday in total. It is less than the legal minimum of 22.4.

 On top of that it is a reduced holiday benefit vs FTEs who get more than the legal minimum of 28 days total.  ACAS indicates you cannot offer different holiday benefits to part time workers. I may be wrong on tbat point but I am certain of my maths

moneysavinghero

Don't accept the offer then and keep looking.

JGB1955

By my calculations you should get 0.6 x 25 = 15 days.  Those 15 (full) days are 120 hours which equates to 20 of your (shorter) days.

TELLIT01

Many (most?) companies show holiday entitlement for part time workers in hours rather than days to avoid this type of confusion.  If an  employee working 5 days per week gets 25 days annual leave, logic dictates that somebody working 4 days should get 4/5ths of that i.e.20 days.  

getmore4less

You can't mix hours and days, work in one or the other.

Scotbot said:

getmore4less said:

You need to go back and ask them how they get 15 days, how many of the BH do you get and what happens if a BH falls on your non working day or you work one. 

Can only guess from here one obvious option might be they add all the BH back on.
lets go with FT  = 25+8  = 33
prorata would be 33*4/5 = 26.4  ,  15+8= 23  3.4 days short it's not that.

Full time contract is 40 hours a week I will be working 24 hours which is 60% of an FTE. So they have taken 25 days and multiplied it by 0.6 to get 15.  
However  an FTE gets paid for an 8 hour day  but they have also factored the hours paid down by 0.6. So an FTE gets 25 x 8 hour days paid holiday which is 200 hours but I am being offered 15 x 6 hours which is 90 hours. That is less than 60% of an FTE which would be 120 hours,  it is only 45%.
I thought you could pro rata hours or days but not both given the salary has already been reduced by 40%
They have done the same for bank holidays and offered 5 instead of 8

Messed up, they have mixed days and hours incorrectly.

You can't prorata days based on the prorata  hours unless the hours per day are the same.