We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.

This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.

📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!
The Forum now has a brand new text editor, adding a bunch of handy features to use when creating posts. Read more in our how-to guide

Pension Beneficiary

Hi , looking for some advice.

My gran and papa had been living together for 35+ years but not married.When my papa passed away according to private pension my gran is not the beneficiary as they weren’t married.The pension has no beneficiary. 

I am trying to find out if this is correct as I find it hard to believe that a marriage certificate at a small cost would make my gran the beneficiary. Any help would be appreciated.

Comments

  • Malthusian
    Malthusian Posts: 11,055 Forumite
    Tenth Anniversary 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Photogenic
    If this is a defined benefit (e.g. final salary) pension the trustees may well be correct. Some DB pensions will pay a spouse's pension to cohabitating partners but it depends on the scheme rules and the trustees' discretion.
    If this is what has happened, it wouldn't hurt to explain your grandmother's situation and ask the trustees to reconsider. But they may still say no. If the scheme rules say that only spouses are eligible for survivor's pensions, they can't just ignore the rules without affecting the interests of all the other members of the scheme.
    If it was a defined contribution pension the trustees would have to pay out the remaining fund to somebody, but I'll stop there, as "has no beneficiary" suggests it isn't.
    I am trying to find out if this is correct as I find it hard to believe that a marriage certificate at a small cost would make my gran the beneficiary.

    It's the binding legal committment to combine their finances that would have made her the beneficiary. Not the piece of paper.
    You can't retain the advantages of being single for 35 years (e.g. the ability to walk away from the relationship at any time and keep assets in your name) and then say "actually I want to be treated as married now" the moment that being single becomes disadvantageous. Sorry for your loss and I do sympathise if she is now regretting not getting married, but they presumably had their reasons and it's spilt milk.
  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 121,231 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    I find it hard to believe that a marriage certificate at a small cost would make my gran the beneficiary. 
    A lot of things rely on marriage or civil partnership for them to continue with a spouse or have spousal benefit.

    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
  • Marcon
    Marcon Posts: 15,877 Forumite
    Ninth Anniversary 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    edited 8 February 2021 at 4:56PM
    iainmac13 said:
    Hi , looking for some advice.

    My gran and papa had been living together for 35+ years but not married.When my papa passed away according to private pension my gran is not the beneficiary as they weren’t married.The pension has no beneficiary. 

    I am trying to find out if this is correct as I find it hard to believe that a marriage certificate at a small cost would make my gran the beneficiary. Any help would be appreciated.

    It's not the marriage certificate that matters - it's the rules of the particular pension scheme. Some provide a discretion (choice) for the trustees to pay a spouse's pension to someone with whom the deceased scheme member was living at the time of death in 'a relationship akin to marriage' or some similar wording; others have rules which quite simply specify that a pension is payable to a spouse or civil partner with no such discretion. I'm afraid it sounds as if the latter applies here.

    In case it helps anyone else reading this thread, there are often restrictions in DB schemes where 'death bed' marriages are concerned - in other words, if the partners marry shortly before the scheme member dies (6 months is typical), it can impact on whether a pension is payable at all, and even if it is, how much.
    Googling on your question might have been both quicker and easier, if you're only after simple facts rather than opinions!  
Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 354.2K Banking & Borrowing
  • 254.3K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 455.3K Spending & Discounts
  • 247.2K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 603.8K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 178.4K Life & Family
  • 261.3K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16.1K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.7K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.