Leaving a job, what should I ask for.

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Brynsam

assj_2 said:

Firstly, I appreciate that I'm very fortunate in my position and I'm grateful. However I just wanted to see what others have or would do in my situation.

I'm planning to leave my job for a new role and I'll be giving a few months notice, as per my contract. I was also paid in advance when I commenced employment.

I'm thinking of leaving as of 1st April, however having my last day of working 1st March. I would use 17 days of leave to cover this period, and then offer the additional days back to them as and when needed, i.e. to keep in touch with the new post holder and support them through their work and some of the important projects that I have started and they will be completing. Does this seem a reasonable suggestion, of course I will keep a time sheet on these hours and once they are completed we will be even. I was then thinking to offer them an hourly consultancy rate as it's likely I can be of use to them. I'm fairly senior in my role, and it's a public entity, they normally request non-disclosure agreements for leavers but as I'm moving to a similar role elsewhere they probably won't consider that necessary. Does anyone have any thoughts, or have you done something different, have you ever negotiated a paid exit, or even a paid notice period that is not worked?

Thanks for your time, as I said I'm not ungrateful of my position and I'm just often quite foolish and quick to say yes, without getting the full benefit for myself when others do. Thanks in advance.

When are these 'additional days' going to happen - before or after you start your new role? If after, are you sure your new employer will like the idea, since if you're working a day for your former employer you clearly aren't available to them full time (if the role is full time). Have you seen your new contract?

Your current employer can request anything they like when you leave, but they can't enforce it unless your current contract stipulates they can. Why are you even concerned about it, unless you are planning to disclose things you shouldn't be disclosing?

If this idea is to work, you need both your current and new employers on board with the idea. You may find that your current employer would prefer you to do a proper handover and then call it a day. Only one way to find out!

k12479

assj_2 said:

Does anyone have any thoughts... 

Yes, don't do it. Try and offer some days back to help, that is. Look forward to the new job, not backwards to the old one. The new job will have people to get to know, systems to understand, projects/tasks to get familiar with - a steep learning curve. Don't compromise your new job by worrying about your old organisation.

Have you left many/any jobs before? It's just that you seem inexperienced in this and are unlikely to manage to get an exit payment or gardening leave, unless the former is an existing contractual agreement and the latter common practice. People and organisations are surprisingly resilient, whatever level of handover you manage within your notice period, they will cope just fine with. That also means that while you may think you could be useful going forward, they may not and they might not have the budget or ability to hire you anyway so, as Brynsam notes, scope that out with existing and new employer soon.

74jax

I handed my notice in last year without a job to go to, I had 3 months notice and offered to be flexible - they came back and asked if I'd work 5 months instead....which (to me) wasn't flexible, so definately make sure you provide dates...., 😂
If you need to give 2 months, that is what I would give. State your last day will be xyz. However after this date you are happy to offer a consultancy fee of xzy per hour if needed.
Is keep it short and factual. Anything else can be discussed separately. 
Make sure your new company doesn't mind a consultant basis at your old job first. 

Brynsam

assj_2 said:

The last role I left, I left happily with no financial benefit. A colleague left 6 months later, with 6 months salary - I felt concerned that I was not afforded the same, and this is why I'm cautious now. Thanks again.

Why was the colleague given 6 months salary? A 'golden goodbye' certainly isn't usual, so the idea that you could ask for a payoff simply because you have chosen to resign is a bit odd.  Normally this only happens where the employer wants someone on garden leave and/or pays them in lieu of notice. 

KatrinaWaves

Brynsam said:

assj_2 said:

The last role I left, I left happily with no financial benefit. A colleague left 6 months later, with 6 months salary - I felt concerned that I was not afforded the same, and this is why I'm cautious now. Thanks again.

Why was the colleague given 6 months salary? A 'golden goodbye' certainly isn't usual, so the idea that you could ask for a payoff simply because you have chosen to resign is a bit odd.  Normally this only happens where the employer wants someone on garden leave and/or pays them in lieu of notice. 

Agreed. The whole initial post seems off to me. You're leaving. I don't know why you think that means that you 'get stuff' for doing so. Im sure your contributions have been appreciated, but that doesnt mean they want to pay you to leave, or let you leave early with the promise of 'working the hours back' There are very few people in the world at work who cannot be adequately replaced.

Alfrescodave

All the companies I've worked for would say "on your bike". Are you not over thinking your worth to the old company?

TELLIT01

It will be up to the employer whether they want you to work right up until the leaving date or want you to use all, or part, of your remaining leave.  You cannot dictate to them.  If a replacement needs to be trained, and they want you to do that training, it will probably be required during your notice period.  The company will probably be able to recruit a replacement quite quickly in the current environment.

Do you really think that your current employer will permit you to take leave and then charge them at 'consultancy rates' to train your replacement.  If that really is what you think, I believe you are in for a shock.

Brynsam

KatrinaWaves said:

 There are very few people in the world at work who cannot be adequately replaced.

Quite. The graveyards are full of indispensable people!

p00hsticks

KatrinaWaves said:

Brynsam said:

assj_2 said:

The last role I left, I left happily with no financial benefit. A colleague left 6 months later, with 6 months salary - I felt concerned that I was not afforded the same, and this is why I'm cautious now. Thanks again.

Why was the colleague given 6 months salary? A 'golden goodbye' certainly isn't usual, so the idea that you could ask for a payoff simply because you have chosen to resign is a bit odd.  Normally this only happens where the employer wants someone on garden leave and/or pays them in lieu of notice. 

Agreed. The whole initial post seems off to me. You're leaving. I don't know why you think that means that you 'get stuff' for doing so. Im sure your contributions have been appreciated, but that doesnt mean they want to pay you to leave, or let you leave early with the promise of 'working the hours back' There are very few people in the world at work who cannot be adequately replaced.

I second this. To my mind, offering to come back as a consultant for a fee suggests to me that you do not feel you can adequately hand over your existing work to someone else in the time remaining, and seems particulally cheeky when you are proposing that you not work for the whole final month of your notice period - a period which your employer has presumably decided is adequate to provide sufficient time for your replacement to be selected and bought up to speed and/or your work to be picked up by others. 

Marcon

Looking at your other threads, you've only been in your current role for just over a year. It won't be difficult for your employer to replace you, provided you do a decent handover. The idea that they might want to shell out some sort of goodbye payment is fantasy territory - why would they?