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  • Brynsam
    Brynsam Posts: 3,643 Forumite
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    What exactly does your contract say?
  • Xbigman
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    What does your payslip have on it as basic pay and for how many days? That is the most direct route to establishing the salary you are actually being paid.

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  • Wyndham
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    If you're leaving part way through the year, you have to pro-rata your holidays. If you've taken 16 days out of 28 then that's over half of them. As you're in a school, I assume the year is from September, so you're only around a 1/3 of the way through the year. Have you taken this into account?

  • General_Grant
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    edited 5 January 2021 at 9:40PM
    one possibility:
    28 days holiday for full year, say that's 52 weeks (1 September to 31 August)
    count how many weeks you will have worked up to 8 January = W
    then
    28/52 x W = pro rata holiday

    then remember to deduct any holiday you have had.
  • Brynsam
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    edited 10 September 2024 at 1:39PM
    Brynsam said:
    What exactly does your contract say?
    This is what it says regarding pay.

    1. Grade and Salary
    Salary Range: 12-16

    Actual Salary: £21393.69 (£24462 FTE)

    Spinal Point: 12

    Grade: 5

    Allowances: none

    Hours worked per week: 36

    Your commencing salary will be £21393.69 pro rata, inclusive of London Allowance. Your salary will be paid monthly by credit transfer on the 21st day of each month, except where this falls on a weekend when payment will be made on the preceding Friday. Should the 21st fall on a bank holiday the payment will be made on the preceding working day. The National Joint Council salary scales are available on the Council’s intranet or via your line manager.


    That wording is a bit odd. It shows your actual salary as £21,393.69 (£24462 FTE) but then says your salary will be £21393.69 pro rata.

    Instead of being anxious, I think you need to talk to your employer to clarify - but provided you have received payment for your full holiday entitlement (and the case law is clear that term time workers are entitled to the statutory minimum of 28 days a year including bank holidays), I think you'll find that you will simply be paid up to your leaving date with any necessary adjustment for holidays already taken.
  • Lolcaz I think your figures are correct and the way you figured it out correct also. I was in a similar situation to you a few years ago. I was term time only (36 weeks but paid year around) and left part way through the year. Lots of people even HR and payroll depts seem to find term time only contracts esp in terms of pay/holiday hard to understand so I was also super anxious that my final month's pay would be incorrect. I worked it all out, pretty much exactly the same way you have and just put it an email saying, "just to confirm this is what I've worked thus far, this is what I've been paid, so I am due £.......... Do please confirm this is correct etc".  I got paid the correct amount minus tax etc. 
    Your scenario is probably pretty common so don't worry I am sure you will be paid the correct amount eg £2749. But if you're worried drop payroll a line with your calculations. 
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  • General_Grant
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    edited 10 September 2024 at 1:39PM
    Brynsam said:
    Brynsam said:
    What exactly does your contract say?
    This is what it says regarding pay.

    1. Grade and Salary
    Salary Range: 12-16

    Actual Salary: £21393.69 (£24462 FTE)

    Spinal Point: 12

    Grade: 5

    Allowances: none

    Hours worked per week: 36

    Your commencing salary will be £21393.69 pro rata, inclusive of London Allowance. Your salary will be paid monthly by credit transfer on the 21st day of each month, except where this falls on a weekend when payment will be made on the preceding Friday. Should the 21st fall on a bank holiday the payment will be made on the preceding working day. The National Joint Council salary scales are available on the Council’s intranet or via your line manager.


    That wording is a bit odd. It shows your actual salary as £21,393.69 (£24462 FTE) but then says your salary will be £21393.69 pro rata.

    Instead of being anxious, I think you need to talk to your employer to clarify - but provided you have received payment for your full holiday entitlement (and the case law is clear that term time workers are entitled to the statutory minimum of 28 days a year including bank holidays), I think you'll find that you will simply be paid up to your leaving date with any necessary adjustment for holidays already taken.
    The confusion is on people's use of pro rata.  In this case it is used to mean the amount at the same proportion as the OP's hours to those of a full-timer.
    The statutory minimum is not 28 days but 5.6 weeks.  It is 28 days for someone working 5 or more days a week for a year (so working 46.4 weeks).  As in the OP's case, contractual entitlement can be greater.
  • Marcon
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    edited 10 September 2024 at 1:39PM
    Brynsam said:
    Brynsam said:
    What exactly does your contract say?
    This is what it says regarding pay.

    1. Grade and Salary
    Salary Range: 12-16

    Actual Salary: £21393.69 (£24462 FTE)

    Spinal Point: 12

    Grade: 5

    Allowances: none

    Hours worked per week: 36

    Your commencing salary will be £21393.69 pro rata, inclusive of London Allowance. Your salary will be paid monthly by credit transfer on the 21st day of each month, except where this falls on a weekend when payment will be made on the preceding Friday. Should the 21st fall on a bank holiday the payment will be made on the preceding working day. The National Joint Council salary scales are available on the Council’s intranet or via your line manager.


    That wording is a bit odd. It shows your actual salary as £21,393.69 (£24462 FTE) but then says your salary will be £21393.69 pro rata.

    Instead of being anxious, I think you need to talk to your employer to clarify - but provided you have received payment for your full holiday entitlement (and the case law is clear that term time workers are entitled to the statutory minimum of 28 days a year including bank holidays), I think you'll find that you will simply be paid up to your leaving date with any necessary adjustment for holidays already taken.
    The confusion is on people's use of pro rata.  In this case it is used to mean the amount at the same proportion as the OP's hours to those of a full-timer.
    The statutory minimum is not 28 days but 5.6 weeks.  It is 28 days for someone working 5 or more days a week for a year (so working 46.4 weeks).  As in the OP's case, contractual entitlement can be greater.
    But £21393.69 isn't pro rated; it is the actual - pro rating applies to the FTE salary of £24462. I'm not surprised OP is confused. 
    Googling on your question might have been both quicker and easier, if you're only after simple facts rather than opinions!  
  • General_Grant
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    edited 10 September 2024 at 1:39PM
    Marcon said:
    Brynsam said:
    Brynsam said:
    What exactly does your contract say?
    This is what it says regarding pay.

    1. Grade and Salary
    Salary Range: 12-16

    Actual Salary: £21393.69 (£24462 FTE)

    Spinal Point: 12

    Grade: 5

    Allowances: none

    Hours worked per week: 36

    Your commencing salary will be £21393.69 pro rata, inclusive of London Allowance. Your salary will be paid monthly by credit transfer on the 21st day of each month, except where this falls on a weekend when payment will be made on the preceding Friday. Should the 21st fall on a bank holiday the payment will be made on the preceding working day. The National Joint Council salary scales are available on the Council’s intranet or via your line manager.


    That wording is a bit odd. It shows your actual salary as £21,393.69 (£24462 FTE) but then says your salary will be £21393.69 pro rata.

    Instead of being anxious, I think you need to talk to your employer to clarify - but provided you have received payment for your full holiday entitlement (and the case law is clear that term time workers are entitled to the statutory minimum of 28 days a year including bank holidays), I think you'll find that you will simply be paid up to your leaving date with any necessary adjustment for holidays already taken.
    The confusion is on people's use of pro rata.  In this case it is used to mean the amount at the same proportion as the OP's hours to those of a full-timer.
    The statutory minimum is not 28 days but 5.6 weeks.  It is 28 days for someone working 5 or more days a week for a year (so working 46.4 weeks).  As in the OP's case, contractual entitlement can be greater.
    But £21393.69 isn't pro rated; it is the actual - pro rating applies to the FTE salary of £24462. I'm not surprised OP is confused. 
    The £21,393.69 is the pro rated result after applying the principle to the FTE figure.  (I haven't actually done the maths but do not see that being queried.)
  • Middlestitch
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    edited 10 September 2024 at 1:39PM

    Can anyone tell me if my figures are right? What am I entitled to if my January pay only comes to £496.80? [All figures in post are before deductions]

    I'm quite anxious about this and I want to know where I stand before the January payslip comes in a few weeks.
    The best way to find out where you stand is to check with your employer before they run the January payroll. If you are entitled to the figures you hope you'll get, they are more likely to see things your way if you have the conversation before they have pressed the button on what you think is the wrong figure. Unscrambling an incorrect payment, particularly if they've efficiently produced a P45 at the same time, is going to make work for them and possibly a needlessly uphill struggle for you. A clear explanation from you of your thinking might avoid all that.

    Soothing words on here aren't going to influence the outcome, so biting the bullet now is your best way to reduce your anxiety levels.

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