I probably shouldn't ask, but...

Manxman_in_exile

... what happened to the thread about the conviction for evading a train fare?  It seemed completely innocuous and harmless(?).  I post a comment*, go out for a few hours, think of something that may be of interest to the OP, come back, and it's gone...

*Wasn't me, was it?

74jax

Ooo I missed this thread. Was it this forum? 

Manxman_in_exile

I think it was here... maybe I made it up...

It was somebody who'd had a conviction for evading a train fare and was worried it would show on a DBS check.  I had suggested I was surprised that the OP had been convicted in the circumstances, and that I would have appealed against the conviction.  Comms69 pointed out that the OP may have pleaded guilty. 

I had to go out and on my return it had disappeared.  There was nothing offensive etc about it that I could see.  (I wanted to ask why you'd plead guilty to this if you thought you were innocent).

EDIT:  I'm worried all trace of my existence here will have disappeared by tomorrow morning... Where is Comms69?

MrGorsky

Happens all too often, threads getting deleted. There’s some negative forumites around that spoiled a couple of threads I started, then the mods delete it.

TELLIT01

From what I read in that topic, the OP was guilty of travelling without a ticket as, although they had purchased a ticket, it wasn't for the trip they took.  They would have been able to make a plea in mitigation but maybe somebody advised them not to. 

It does seem ridiculous that somebody could purchase a wrong ticket but still be charged with travelling without a ticket.

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TELLIT01 said:

From what I read in that topic, the OP was guilty of travelling without a ticket as, although they had purchased a ticket, it wasn't for the trip they took.  They would have been able to make a plea in mitigation but maybe somebody advised them not to. 

It does seem ridiculous that somebody could purchase a wrong ticket but still be charged with travelling without a ticket.

It's fraud if you deliberately buy the wrong ticket. Travel to London in particular is vulnerable to this. 

Snigdhavihaar

well to my knowledge its quite often scenarios that threads getting deleted. some might be deleted by moderators and some might be deleted because of offensive, political, or may be based on thread reports. 

Comms69

Manxman_in_exile said:

I think it was here... maybe I made it up...

It was somebody who'd had a conviction for evading a train fare and was worried it would show on a DBS check.  I had suggested I was surprised that the OP had been convicted in the circumstances, and that I would have appealed against the conviction.  Comms69 pointed out that the OP may have pleaded guilty. 

I had to go out and on my return it had disappeared.  There was nothing offensive etc about it that I could see.  (I wanted to ask why you'd plead guilty to this if you thought you were innocent).

EDIT:  I'm worried all trace of my existence here will have disappeared by tomorrow morning... Where is Comms69?

Im here i agree totally innocuous and very strange it disappeared 

edit: I wanted to ask why you'd plead guilty to this if you thought you were innocent

obviously im speculating, but there's no legal aid available for this. With that in mind the cost for a solicitor to explain the nuances of the law is likely in excess of the fine by several hundred pounds. For a uni student it's financially prohibitive. With that in mind the OP may have felt like they were guilty - by virtue of being charged with what they'd broadly believe was fare evasion and taking advantage of the 1/3 discount for guilty plea on first hearing. 

Marcon

TELLIT01 said:

It does seem ridiculous that somebody could purchase a wrong ticket but still be charged with travelling without a ticket.

The requirement is to have a valid ticket for the whole of your journey - otherwise any number of people would travel on the 'wrong' ticket without fear of penalty if caught.

Manxman_in_exile

Comms69 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

I think it was here... maybe I made it up...

It was somebody who'd had a conviction for evading a train fare and was worried it would show on a DBS check.  I had suggested I was surprised that the OP had been convicted in the circumstances, and that I would have appealed against the conviction.  Comms69 pointed out that the OP may have pleaded guilty. 

I had to go out and on my return it had disappeared.  There was nothing offensive etc about it that I could see.  (I wanted to ask why you'd plead guilty to this if you thought you were innocent).

EDIT:  I'm worried all trace of my existence here will have disappeared by tomorrow morning... Where is Comms69?

Im here i agree totally innocuous and very strange it disappeared 

edit: I wanted to ask why you'd plead guilty to this if you thought you were innocent

obviously im speculating, but there's no legal aid available for this. With that in mind the cost for a solicitor to explain the nuances of the law is likely in excess of the fine by several hundred pounds. For a uni student it's financially prohibitive. With that in mind the OP may have felt like they were guilty - by virtue of being charged with what they'd broadly believe was fare evasion and taking advantage of the 1/3 discount for guilty plea on first hearing. 

Well I'm pleased the forum NKVD didn't turn up at 4am to spirit you away.

You know those motoring threads where people are told you really don't want a MS90 conviction for not identifying the driver because your insurance company will wonder what you actually did to make not naming the driver a more attrective option?  Well it's like that with that thread!  I can't stop wondering and speculating about how it must have deteriorated so much to have been "disappeared".  The last post I read was yours saying he may have pleaded not guilty.  I go out for two hours, and it's gone!  What was said?

(I may be different from most people in that I've got a law degree and I certainly would not plead guilty to any charge if I thought the prosecution could not prove it.  Plus my wife is a solicitor and her motto - in general life, not just legal matters - is never admit anything unless it can be proven against you!).

Manxman_in_exile

TELLIT01 said:

From what I read in that topic, the OP was guilty of travelling without a ticket as, although they had purchased a ticket, it wasn't for the trip they took.  They would have been able to make a plea in mitigation but maybe somebody advised them not to. 

It does seem ridiculous that somebody could purchase a wrong ticket but still be charged with travelling without a ticket.

Aaaarghhh!  I assume you do not travel on trains very much!  As Marcon says, if you cannot produce a valid ticket for the whole of your journey, you may be charged with an offence.  Note - it's "produce" a valid ticket, proof that you bought one is not enough if you can't produce it on demand.

(I only discovered all this when I nearly got into trouble some years ago using a wrongly dated ticket.  The ticket had been ordered and bought for me through my employer, but the TOC issued the ticket bearing the wrong date.  I never checked the date.  Upon arrival at the station I was taken to one side and told I would have to buy a valid ticket for that day or be fined.  I did that but followed it up later and it was resolved amicably with the TOC accepting their error and offering me compensation for the inconvenience and embarrassment.  Being a law graduate I decided to look into this area of law and was shocked at how draconian ticket enforcement could be.  And if anyone here is ever caught having to unjustly pay a penalty fare for whatever reason, always pay the penalty fare first and appeal against it afterwards.  If you leave it unpaid and think you can appeal against it before paying up, you may end up in court.)

As I posted on the "disappeared" thread, this is the place to read about train ticket horror stories.  You will also discover how thick and/or dishonest the british travelling public is:  https://www.railforums.co.uk/forums/disputes-prosecutions.152/