Pay rise in the department for some and not other

jqy

Hi, 

I work for company  A, who pays my salary through company B something to do with head count. I have worked with this arrangement for 15 years. At the beginning of my contract i was told ( oral contract?) that i would be under the same terms and conditions as the employees of company A. who do the same job. At the time there were 4 company A employees within the department , only 2 are left. By enlarge they have honoured the terms and conditions, eg whenever company A employees have had a pay rise or bonus, It’s reflected in our pay by company B. Essentially company B is paid by company A to cover our salary. This year company A have had a pay rise but not included us. Company B implies that we are now on their terms and conditions.  This was apparently discussed and agreed on by the 2 companies last year and contracts agreed, but we were not part of it and only finding out now when we questioned why others had got their pay rise and not us.

Can I challenge this decision? 

Thanks.

prowla

Yes - you can resign.

jqy

prowla said:

Yes - you can resign.

Ok, but it’s not what I had in mind. Thanks anyway.

Comms69

Depends on a number of factors whats the relationship between A and B, is B an agency?

jqy

Comms69 said:

Depends on a number of factors whats the relationship between A and B, is B an agency?

Thanks. No B is not an agency but a company provides services to A.

Comms69

jqy said:

Comms69 said:

Depends on a number of factors whats the relationship between A and B, is B an agency?

Thanks. No B is not an agency but a company provides services to A.

Then there is no issue in terms of equal pay. 

jqy

Comms69 said:

jqy said:

Comms69 said:

Depends on a number of factors whats the relationship between A and B, is B an agency?

Thanks. No B is not an agency but a company provides services to A.

Then there is no issue in terms of equal pay. 

You mean You don’t think we are entitled? 2 of company A employees do the exact same job it just that at some point company A decided to outsource these services hence our pay through company B.

Dox

jqy said:

Comms69 said:

jqy said:

Comms69 said:

Depends on a number of factors whats the relationship between A and B, is B an agency?

Thanks. No B is not an agency but a company provides services to A.

Then there is no issue in terms of equal pay. 

You mean You don’t think we are entitled? 2 of company A employees do the exact same job it just that at some point company A decided to outsource these services hence our pay through company B.

You are 'entitled' to whatever your contract says. There's no law which says employees have to be paid equally UNLESS the basis for the difference is related to something known as a 'protected characteristic' (race, gender, age etc). That would be hard to prove, given how few people are involved to form what's known as the 'comparator' group.

Undervalued

Dox said:

jqy said:

Comms69 said:

jqy said:

Comms69 said:

Depends on a number of factors whats the relationship between A and B, is B an agency?

Thanks. No B is not an agency but a company provides services to A.

Then there is no issue in terms of equal pay. 

You mean You don’t think we are entitled? 2 of company A employees do the exact same job it just that at some point company A decided to outsource these services hence our pay through company B.

You are 'entitled' to whatever your contract says. There's no law which says employees have to be paid equally UNLESS the basis for the difference is related to something known as a 'protected characteristic' (race, gender, age etc). That would be hard to prove, given how few people are involved to form what's known as the 'comparator' group.

Quite!

It never ceases to amaze me how many people fail to understand that.

Comms69

Dox said:

jqy said:

Comms69 said:

jqy said:

Comms69 said:

Depends on a number of factors whats the relationship between A and B, is B an agency?

Thanks. No B is not an agency but a company provides services to A.

Then there is no issue in terms of equal pay. 

You mean You don’t think we are entitled? 2 of company A employees do the exact same job it just that at some point company A decided to outsource these services hence our pay through company B.

You are 'entitled' to whatever your contract says. There's no law which says employees have to be paid equally UNLESS the basis for the difference is related to something known as a 'protected characteristic' (race, gender, age etc). That would be hard to prove, given how few people are involved to form what's known as the 'comparator' group.

Or if they are covered by the temporary workers legislation

jon81uk

What does your contract say?