Transgender person going for an interview

Hasbeen

KatrinaWaves said:

Genuine question, what difference does it make? Why are toilets so sensitive? We have unisex toilets at home. Usually disabled toilets are unisex. What difference does it make if the person sat next to you in a cubicle has a penis or a vagina? 

Or even using the Urinal?

Savvy_Sue

but unisex toilets at home are usually shared with people you know, rather than random strangers. 

I'm not particularly sensitive on the subject myself, but I have some sympathy. If you've had problematic relationships with men (rape, sexual assault etc) then finding that someone in what you think of as a female space could inflict those acts on you might be traumatic. Note, I am not suggesting for one moment that people in transition are likely to commit such acts, but logic can fly out of the window. 

KatrinaWaves

Hasbeen said:

KatrinaWaves said:

Genuine question, what difference does it make? Why are toilets so sensitive? We have unisex toilets at home. Usually disabled toilets are unisex. What difference does it make if the person sat next to you in a cubicle has a penis or a vagina? 

Or even using the Urinal?

I doubt a trans woman who still has a penis will be using the urinal. 

KatrinaWaves

Savvy_Sue said:

but unisex toilets at home are usually shared with people you know, rather than random strangers. 

I'm not particularly sensitive on the subject myself, but I have some sympathy. If you've had problematic relationships with men (rape, sexual assault etc) then finding that someone in what you think of as a female space could inflict those acts on you might be traumatic. Note, I am not suggesting for one moment that people in transition are likely to commit such acts, but logic can fly out of the window. 

This is why I asked for stats of trans people (either genuine or false) who use this as a way of accessing people to assault. (Plus most assaults are committed by people we know anyway, so whilst I appreciate your argument about ‘people we know’ at home, it’s not as if people are constantly being attacked by strangers in toilets either. 

Also, trans men and women can also have been victims of sexual assault on the past etc, so why are they being potentially ‘forced’ into toilets which are not of their gender specificity?

I understand people who have previously been victims of violence etc, but why are we so concerned about toilets and not other spaces we may be alone with a person of a gender who has previously assaulted us. 

Honestly the only way to deal with it is for people to be free to choose which toilet they are most comfortable in, and be trusted to behave appropriately in there and be reprimanded if they do not. 

gettingtheresometime

KatrinaWaves said:

I gettingtheresometime said:

KatrinaWaves said:

TELLIT01 said:

I didn't mention in my previous post that my wife experienced a similar situation where she worked.  Somebody came for interview in male attire (suit and tie) but appeared on their first day dressed as a woman.  This individual was part way through gender reassignment and it caused a lot of problems because they demanded to be allowed to use the female facilities.  Many women were unhappy because reassignment hadn't been completed.  The person in question eventually agreed to use the disabled toilet.

They had said nothing at interview stage about their situation, neither did they advise anybody once they had received the job offer, they simply turned up with their 'new' identity.

The issues would be less, probably none, for somebody who had completed reassignment.

Wow what an awful workplace/group of women. I would love to know the stats on people ‘pretending’ to be transgender in order to assault the opposite gender in a bathroom and how often that happens. 

What do you even mean by ‘assignment’ hadn’t been completed? What is ‘complete’? Genital surgery (which many trans people do not even get)? Hormones? 

Many years ago someone who worked with my husband decided to proceed with gender reassignment & it was agreed that they would only use one particular set of female toilets.

Genuine question, what difference does it make? Why are toilets so sensitive? We have unisex toilets at home. Usually disabled toilets are unisex. What difference does it make if the person sat next to you in a cubicle has a penis or a vagina? 

I have no idea but this was many many moons ago so perhaps attitudes may have changed.

Using your example many disabled toilets are single use entities so once you've locked that door, you could strip naked, dance a jig & no one would know......I couldn't tell you why but if I use a public toilet then I'm more comfortable using the ones by the brick wall.

KatrinaWaves

gettingtheresometime said:

KatrinaWaves said:

I gettingtheresometime said:

KatrinaWaves said:

TELLIT01 said:

I didn't mention in my previous post that my wife experienced a similar situation where she worked.  Somebody came for interview in male attire (suit and tie) but appeared on their first day dressed as a woman.  This individual was part way through gender reassignment and it caused a lot of problems because they demanded to be allowed to use the female facilities.  Many women were unhappy because reassignment hadn't been completed.  The person in question eventually agreed to use the disabled toilet.

They had said nothing at interview stage about their situation, neither did they advise anybody once they had received the job offer, they simply turned up with their 'new' identity.

The issues would be less, probably none, for somebody who had completed reassignment.

Wow what an awful workplace/group of women. I would love to know the stats on people ‘pretending’ to be transgender in order to assault the opposite gender in a bathroom and how often that happens. 

What do you even mean by ‘assignment’ hadn’t been completed? What is ‘complete’? Genital surgery (which many trans people do not even get)? Hormones? 

Many years ago someone who worked with my husband decided to proceed with gender reassignment & it was agreed that they would only use one particular set of female toilets.

Genuine question, what difference does it make? Why are toilets so sensitive? We have unisex toilets at home. Usually disabled toilets are unisex. What difference does it make if the person sat next to you in a cubicle has a penis or a vagina? 

I have no idea but this was many many moons ago so perhaps attitudes may have changed.

Using your example many disabled toilets are single use entities so once you've locked that door, you could strip naked, dance a jig & no one would know......I couldn't tell you why but if I use a public toilet then I'm more comfortable using the ones by the brick wall.

Same goes for a cubicle though (although dancing a naked jig would be more challenging!) I just don’t understand the ‘sacred female space’ of the toilet. 

BrassicWoman

It’s depressing how many trans threads are derailed by pointless toilet cubicle conversation. It’s been hashed to death all over the internet by now.

be yourself at the interview; you’ll want to be yourself at work. Good luck!

cymruchris

koiboy said:

Hi if i was lucky enough to get an interview as a transgender person would it be ok to go to an interview in a skirt and blouse instead of a suit as long as i look smart as i am more comfortable in a skirt and blouse

Be yourself - if you’re comfortable in a skirt and blouse - and you intend to carry out the said role identifying as transgender, being open and honest with your colleagues around you, go for it. In some respects the work environment is a much more socially educated one that it was a few years ago, but as I’m sure you’ll be aware, there’ll always be someone that won’t approve of who you want to be. I think if you are confident to go to the interview - then you’ll also be confident to discuss any challenges they might face, and how you might work through them and become a successful member of their team. Good luck - and if you attend any interviews - do come back and share your experiences.