Never thought I would say it: Blair tells it like it is. Labour needs to go back to the 90s

Lungboy

Don't forget the illegal war Blair took us into in Iraq, that was a particular triumph of his.

Sailtheworld

The only small mercy is that Dianne Abbott didn't put herself forwards for the leadership - the clowns would've voted her in.
At least now labour might be electable in another decade rather than never.

borntobefree

Lungboy said:

Don't forget the illegal war Blair took us into in Iraq, that was a particular triumph of his.

The HoC voted for that 412 to 149.

But yeah keep reminding everyone of that......if you never want Labour to win again...which I assume you don’t...

SpiderLegs

Oh dear. Another self-righteous Marxist falls on their sword and reinvents as some pseudo-blairte free market loving social democrat.

I suppose it’s fair enough though. It’s tough to moan from a position that’s just been utterly smashed. Far better to feign credibility and occupy some new, less offensive ground to launch your upcoming campaign.

borntobefree

Arklight said:

The Blair years were awful, unless you compare them to every government before and since. Britain was prosperous, relatively unified, and moving forwards. Not perfectly, but forwards. The misery of Brexit, the increasingly certain breakup of the UK, the mean minded nationalism. None of that was even on anyone's radar during New Labour. 

If The Labour Party actually were proper lefties they would be listening to Dennis Skinner, John Mann and the old arguments of Tony Benn, etc who pointed out that an endless supply of cheap labour just pushes down wages, creates a system were employers can ignore skills training and workers just get in left in low paid jobs with no prospects. Then, the LP would be on the same side as the working classes. Instead, they’ve become the party of the bosses who just want an endless supply of cheap labour. Until the LP figure that out I think they’re doomed.

Moe_The_Bartender

borntobefree said:

Lungboy said:

Don't forget the illegal war Blair took us into in Iraq, that was a particular triumph of his.

The HoC voted for that 412 to 149.

But yeah keep reminding everyone of that......if you never want Labour to win again...which I assume you don’t...

They wouldn’t have done so but for the lies they were told.

Moe_The_Bartender

borntobefree said:

Arklight said:

The Blair years were awful, unless you compare them to every government before and since. Britain was prosperous, relatively unified, and moving forwards. Not perfectly, but forwards. The misery of Brexit, the increasingly certain breakup of the UK, the mean minded nationalism. None of that was even on anyone's radar during New Labour. 

If The Labour Party actually were proper lefties they would be listening to Dennis Skinner, John Mann and the old arguments of Tony Benn, etc who pointed out that an endless supply of cheap labour just pushes down wages, creates a system were employers can ignore skills training and workers just get in left in low paid jobs with no prospects. Then, the LP would be on the same side as the working classes. Instead, they’ve become the party of the bosses who just want an endless supply of cheap labour. Until the LP figure that out I think they’re doomed.

Very true. That’s why construction workers' pay is no higher in real terms since free movement started.

prowla

Stealth taxes and an illegal war - yep, let's go back to that!

Jonbvn

shaggydoo said:

Corbyn's achievements.

1. Worst Labour GE result since 1935.

But worse than that Corbyn is still in complete denial.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-51578155

Mr Corbyn said Labour lost the election for a "myriad of reasons", but blamed "mainly Brexit" and "five years of unremitting media attacks on our movement and on our party".

Sailtheworld

Rebecca Long-Bailey has said she would offer Corbyn a seat on the shadow caninet if she wins and Corbyn has said he might take it. I have some sympathy for the idea that he was targeted by the media but, whether he likes it or not, !!!!!! sticks and he's covered. No point trying to take the high ground - he's finished - there's no coming back from the worst electoral result since 1935 against one of the worst governments of our time.