Annual pay rise

NotRichAtAll

you work for a company and you have a 3yr pay deal in place, wages to rise by £1 per hour per year 1,2 and 3, your hourly rate is £10 during the course of yr1 the company advertises a new position with an hourly rate of £12, you get this position but when you ask about your annual pay rise you are told you have had your pay rise when you took the new position on.

figures are made up, scenario is actual. Would you consider this fair or would you be chasing your annual pay rise?
My argument is getting a new position with a higher rate of pay is not the same as a pay rise.

Richierichbristol

If you’re not happy with the outcome don’t take the job and stick with the current one with the guaranteed rise ?

theoretica

Common that you need to be in post a certain while to get a pay rise - was the new job towards the beginning or end of the year?

NotRichAtAll

7 months into the year

Savvy_Sue

So you started Job 1 on £10 ph, then in the course of year 1 you got job 2 paying £12 ph, which in Job 1 you wouldn't have been earning until year 3.

UNLESS there was a company wide deal to increase wages by £1 ph for all jobs, or a deal with the new job that wages would be increased by £1 ph in years 2 and 3, then you can chase all you like, but you're already better off than you would have been in Year 3 in Job 1.

So, if you don't like it, you have options. You could start job hunting, either now or in a year's time. You could join the union and get them involved (or if already a member, see what they have to say about this).

But it's not clear from your post how long you've been with this company. If less than 2 years, I'd be wary of making too much fuss about your expectations. You risk being seen as an awkward trouble maker.

NotRichAtAll

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

So you started Job 1 on £10 ph, then in the course of year 1 you got job 2 paying £12 ph, which in Job 1 you wouldn't have been earning until year 3.

UNLESS there was a company wide deal to increase wages by £1 ph for all jobs, or a deal with the new job that wages would be increased by £1 ph in years 2 and 3, then you can chase all you like, but you're already better off than you would have been in Year 3 in Job 1.

So, if you don't like it, you have options. You could start job hunting, either now or in a year's time. You could join the union and get them involved (or if already a member, see what they have to say about this).

But it's not clear from your post how long you've been with this company. If less than 2 years, I'd be wary of making too much fuss about your expectations. You risk being seen as an awkward trouble maker.

its a company wide deal for all drivers agreed for by our union, been there 8 years. the new job is still a driving job just a larger vehicle. union at the moment are saying its a grey area, but are asking questions, not only effects me as there were 16 of us involved in driving these larger longer vehicles

Undervalued

Apart from any contractual agreements there is no entitlement ever to a pay rise. The only exception being if your pay were to fall below the national minimum wage.

So it is entirely a matter for negotiation, either directly or via your union.

shortcrust

NotRichAtAll wrote: »

you work for a company and you have a 3yr pay deal in place, wages to rise by £1 per hour per year 1,2 and 3, your hourly rate is £10 during the course of yr1 the company advertises a new position with an hourly rate of £12, you get this position but when you ask about your annual pay rise you are told you have had your pay rise when you took the new position on.

figures are made up, scenario is actual. Would you consider this fair or would you be chasing your annual pay rise?
My argument is getting a new position with a higher rate of pay is not the same as a pay rise.

Why would the pay deal and pay rises for the old position apply to the new position? Wanting the higher rate of pay of the new job and retaining the scheduled rises of the old is surely a having your cake and eating it situation.

74jax

NotRichAtAll wrote: »

you work for a company and you have a 3yr pay deal in place, wages to rise by £1 per hour per year 1,2 and 3, your hourly rate is £10 during the course of yr1 the company advertises a new position with an hourly rate of £12, you get this position but when you ask about your annual pay rise you are told you have had your pay rise when you took the new position on.

figures are made up, scenario is actual. Would you consider this fair or would you be chasing your annual pay rise?
My argument is getting a new position with a higher rate of pay is not the same as a pay rise.

When I was at the interview for job 2, is cover the pay scenario. Then make the decision based on the answer.

Would i consider it fair if there isn't the same increase each year as job 1? Yes, because job 2 comes with its own teams and conditions. It's my choice whether to take it or not. I could always stay with job 1.

NotRichAtAll

shortcrust wrote: »

Why would the pay deal and pay rises for the old position apply to the new position? Wanting the higher rate of pay of the new job and retaining the scheduled rises of the old is surely a having your cake and eating it situation.

i like cake

thanks for the replies everyone