Walking too much

matt8282

The job is a security role. The frequency of the patrols have increased.
Its effecting the older guys and also the ones with diabetes. I only care as I dont feel its right for management to make changes to a job. Im dealing with an employer that says we arent entitled to a break as we are paid for the full 12 hours and we are providing a service to a client. Soon as I throw legislations at them they back off. And then they blackmail saying if we want a break they wont pay us.

Im the sort of person who doesnt put up with crap conditions and the way I see it is if everyone sticks together then a solution is created, rather than leave the job for some other worker to put up with the poor conditions

jlemaitre

Yes they can. Be grateful you dont work in a car manufacturing company on a production line. I spent 9 years 6 months and 14 days at one. Every shift was very very very hard work, My feet are knackered, My back is knackered, my hearing is awful my metal health isnt great and never will be again.
The shifts are long and you get mandatory overtime on top of your hours im on the wrong side of my 30's and feel like a late 50s year old.

You chose where to work, I've just recently done my SIA licence and in my new job im overworked and severely underpaid. Its just a matter of getting on with it. On the other hand at least you're not fat and do no exercise in your own time as you're getting paid for it. Think of it as you're onto a winner.

elsien

It's not blackmail to say if you want a break it has to be taken unpaid. That's lawful, and it's up to the employer if they want to go over and above and pay for it.
If your colleagues have issues about the impact on their health and the employer is being unhelpful I suggest they contact their union or get legal advice.

matt8282

So i just been told the amount of walking is up to 20 miles a shift for 6 shifts in a row with 3 days off

theoretica

How recent are the changes? Starting being more physically active can be very tiring, but in many cases as you get fitter it gets easier - though not for everyone.



Of course managers make changes to jobs - few jobs are the same as they were 50 years ago!

elsien

"Up to" could mean in practice there's less walking on most shifts and that's the worst case scenario.

Told by who?

suki1964

I work in a job where Im stood on hard concrete for up to 12 hours a day and lifting weights of up to 40 kgs all day every day with just 2 20min breaks ( unpaid ) Im 55 and yes its hard on the joints and when it comes to the time I can't do it, Ill leave and find something else

It is what the job is, Its not the boss's fault Im getting older

Q*bert

Sad fact of life when you reach your limits and expected to go beyond what you think is reasonable and management don't seem approachable for the option of playing ball.

Seems fair to say, make an informed choice before you enter into anything and decide what you want from it, long term, gain experience and move on etc. Effectively you want to become your own manager.

In most cases for many reasons all you will get is what you don't want to hear.

You could try, Citizens Advice, ACAS, etc

Blatchford

matt8282 wrote: »

The job is a security role. The frequency of the patrols have increased.
Its effecting the older guys and also the ones with diabetes. I only care as I dont feel its right for management to make changes to a job. Whether it is "right" or not is irrelevant. Right is a moral judgement. It is lawful. Im dealing with an employer that says we arent entitled to a break as we are paid for the full 12 hours and we are providing a service to a client. You are certainly, if employees, entitled to a 20 minute break. Unpaid. Soon as I throw legislations at them they back off. And then they blackmail saying if we want a break they wont pay us. If you are going to "throw legislation at them" try getting it right. They are correct. You want a break, should have one. It's also a fact that unpaid is correct - they don't need to pay you.

Im the sort of person who doesnt put up with crap conditions and the way I see it is if everyone sticks together then a solution is created, rather than leave the job for some other worker to put up with the poor conditions So am I. So if you are one of them, you need to let us know when and where the picket line is. If you aren't, you are interfering without knowing what you are doing, potentially making things worse, and quite possibly getting them into trouble

You don't seem to get it. What the employer is doing is entirely lawful. What they are saying is entirely lawful. Maybe not "nice" or "right" but lawful. If you continue to interfere then you must do so based on people being prepared to lose their jobs over this. If they are not fit to undertake the work that the employer requires they will lose their jobs. Only if every single one of them stands up and says no, and is willing to stand behind that no, will the employer even consider backing down. And possibly not even then. There are always people willing to do it.

Davy_Jones_II

matt8282 wrote: »

Sorry I need to add, inbetween the walking, it is expected to be able to restrain people which could be up to an unlimitted amount of time. Its not just pain complaints I am hearing off, but also feeling fatigue. The shift pattern is 3 days 3 nights 3 off. Surely an employer has to make reasonable adjustments to workloads if 70 - 80% of the staff feel burnt out due to a new procedure?

What use is it if people here believe that it is unreasonable?

I think that it’s fine, but that some people may not be capable of doing the job, in much the same way as some people could not trade exotic options or design a new chip.

What are you doing to be able to handle it better? Are you using a gym, running, taking care of your diet, and sleeping early and for long enough?

Are you staying hydrated, eating healthily, wearing appropriate shoes, and resting whenever you can?

If you are doing everything possible, and have been in the job for long enough to adapt to it, and you are still struggling, then perhaps it’s just not for you.