Getting sacked

sevenhills

A guy I know has been sacked after 28 years working for a local authority.
It has been said that he will lose his pension. I find that hard to believe. It never seems to happen to the high flyers in the news. To me its like a punishment being retrospective.
Taking away pension contributions that were given to you as part of your remuneration package, over 20 years ago.


Do people lose their pension when sacked?

elsien

The short answer is no, you do not lose your pension.
Who has "it been said" by?

sevenhills

elsien wrote: »

The short answer is no, you do not lose your pension.
Who has "it been said" by?

A few people on social media, they are refering to the WYPF pension.

elsien

Maybe your friend should check directly with the pension fund rather then with social media, for more accurate information.

SonOf

sevenhills wrote: »

A few people on social media, they are refering to the WYPF pension.

Social Media..... need we say more!

Although ironically, contributing in this section is classed as social media. Although is a long way removed from a facebook/twitter thread.

Marcon

sevenhills wrote: »

A few people on social media, they are refering to the WYPF pension.

West Yorkshire Pension Fund or West Yorkshire Police Federation? Police and forces personnel are some of the very few instances where dismissal can sometimes lead to loss of pension rights.

bostonerimus

In Massachusetts there are some rare circumstances where public employees can lose their pension. Those are "moral turpitude" or being convicted of a crime related to your job ie stealing state funds.

https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2019/06/06/state-retirement-board-to-consider-pulling-pensions-from-convicted-former-trooper-lieutenant

hyubh

sevenhills wrote: »

A guy I know has been sacked after 28 years working for a local authority.
It has been said that he will lose his pension. I find that hard to believe. It never seems to happen to the high flyers in the news. To me its like a punishment being retrospective.
Taking away pension contributions that were given to you as part of your remuneration package, over 20 years ago.

Do people lose their pension when sacked?

In general, no. Assuming the LGPS in England and Wales (the regs in other parts of the UK are essentially identical), see here for the so-called 'forfeiture' provisions:

https://lgpsregs.org/schemeregs/lgpsregs2013/timeline.php#r91

This isn't about punishing a sacked individual, but the ability of a local authority to recover money when an employee has stolen it from their employer. E.g., a school admin manager who has systematically creamed off a proportion of the school's budget into their own bank account for several years.

While there's a much more nebulous 'crimes against the state' reason allowed too, no local authority is going exercise that.

Nebulous2

What has he been sacked for?



It can happen in some circumstances, or at least it used to, that people lose their pension and get a refund of their contributions instead. It would have to be very serious however. Link here.

sevenhills

Nebulous2 wrote: »

What has he been sacked for?

It can happen in some circumstances, or at least it used to, that people lose their pension and get a refund of their contributions instead. It would have to be very serious however. Link here.

Effectively acting against council values. Online live streaming, something like that, of a citizens arrest of a flasher; and some colourfull language used.
Not seen it myself, he is getting support on a local facebook group, but that is with his version of events.

Pollycat

sevenhills wrote: »

Effectively acting against council values. Online live streaming, something like that, of a citizens arrest of a flasher; and some colourfull language used.
Not seen it myself, he is getting support on a local facebook group, but that is with his version of events.

He's probably not doing himself any favours.


But if he wants to know his pension rights, he needs to speak to the appropriate people.
How can randoms on t'interweb know the rules of his pension scheme?