Is this age discrimination

buggy_boy

ReadingTim wrote: »

No mate, it really isn't.

Furthermore, if you don't believe older people can have 2nd careers, Batchelors or Masters degrees, or undertake physical work, then the only one who is being ageist, is you.

Ive replyed to another thread that covers your point, you can still discriminate even if there are exceptions to the rule... Every young person coming out of education will be at an early career compared to only a small minority of older people....

The physical part is based on the fact employers are actually legally allowed to discriminate as long as it has a legitimate aim, sorry I did not explain it very well but what I meant is that if the job was very physical such as say a firefighter or soldier as extreme examples an employer can legitimately discriminate based on age... I think you would agree for a systems engineer it would be hard to justify a legitimate reason.

74jax

buggy_boy wrote: »

I take your point however I would argue for example discriminating against single parents has been proven to be sex discrimination because the majority of single parents are female..just because obviously there are some male single parents does not mean its not discrimination

I don't understand how the majority of single parents are female. Surely (other than death) it would be 50/50.

buggy_boy

74jax wrote: »

I don't understand how the majority of single parents are female. Surely (other than death) it would be 50/50.

Because in the event of a breakup in the relationship which is the most common form of single parents the children in the vast majority of times stay with the mother.

It is also recognised that by for example not allowing flexible hours can be seen as sex discrimination as women tend to have more childcare responsibilities than men, this again is due to the above.

See below:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43140285#targetText=There%20are%20around%201.7%20million,are%20headed%20by%20a%20woman.

Ok its from Feb 2018 but I doubt a lot has changed, it states:

There are around 1.7 million single parent families in the UK, with one in four children living with one parent. Nine in 10 single parent families are headed by a woman.

So approximately 90% of single parents are female.. That's far from 50/50.

74jax

buggy_boy wrote: »

Because in the event of a breakup in the relationship which is the most common form of single parents the children in the vast majority of times stay with the mother.

It is also recognised that by for example not allowing flexible hours can be seen as sex discrimination as women tend to have more childcare responsibilities than men, this again is due to the above.

See below:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43140285#targetText=There%20are%20around%201.7%20million,are%20headed%20by%20a%20woman.

Ok its from Feb 2018 but I doubt a lot has changed, it states:

There are around 1.7 million single parent families in the UK, with one in four children living with one parent. Nine in 10 single parent families are headed by a woman.

So approximately 90% of single parents are female.. That's far from 50/50.

Sorry I completely misunderstood. I took it as actual single parents, ie a mam and dad split up EACH are then a single parent. I didn't take it to mean only the parent with the child living with them was classed as a parent. I couldn't work the figures out.... :rotfl: I get it now.

Comms69

74jax wrote: »

Sorry I completely misunderstood. I took it as actual single parents, ie a mam and dad split up EACH are then a single parent. I didn't take it to mean only the parent with the child living with them was classed as a parent. I couldn't work the figures out.... :rotfl: I get it now.

You are quite correct single fathers aren't considered parents by many

ohreally

I suspect the pay level may be at the lower end of competitive.

sazaccount

buggy_boy wrote: »

So I came across this job advertisement for HPE, in it under experience it stated:

"· All levels of experience considered, early career an advantage."

Just wondered what others thought? I thought its probably legally ok but probably pushing the boundaries at best.

I'm in my 30's and would LOVE to find this job advert in my chosen career as currently everything I'm looking at/applying for ask for 5 years experience, how do I get the experience without the job but need the experience to get the job total catch 22 :eek::eek: frustrating as Heck!

buggy_boy

sazaccount wrote: »

I'm in my 30's and would LOVE to find this job advert in my chosen career as currently everything I'm looking at/applying for ask for 5 years experience, how do I get the experience without the job but need the experience to get the job total catch 22 :eek::eek: frustrating as Heck!

Look for the worst paying job in that sector, even if it says 5 yrs experience still apply. You could also get a lower scale job with a similar job title to get the experience then exaggerate... Look at your previous employment, can you put a spin on that to make it relevant?

For example a refuse collector could either put down a refuse collector, or they could put something like environmental waste management. Its about getting your foot through the door, everyone tarts up the CV a little... As long as you are confident you can do the job.

sazaccount

buggy_boy wrote: »

Look for the worst paying job in that sector, even if it says 5 yrs experience still apply. You could also get a lower scale job with a similar job title to get the experience then exaggerate... Look at your previous employment, can you put a spin on that to make it relevant?

For example a refuse collector could either put down a refuse collector, or they could put something like environmental waste management. Its about getting your foot through the door, everyone tarts up the CV a little... As long as you are confident you can do the job.

Thanks unfortunately my career choice is a very niche market, I pretty much apply for ANY job which is even remotely relevant, I even completed NEBOSH to try that way into the industry but then got on a plane and went to Canada, where in BC I have to have the BC equivalent of NEBOSH and cant convert :mad: so have put it on a back burner and now looking at Facilities management as this is what a lot of my background is anyway. Maybe one day I'll use my Masters for more than free temp work, while on other assignments :rotfl: and maybe I'll get a grown up job at some point

sazaccount

Calpol4life wrote: »

Eurghhhhh, another Health and safety professional.....

(Just joking)

Emergency Management Professional (I wish anyway) I hate all the small H&S stuff give me a BIG crisis :rotfl::rotfl: (that will hopefully be mitigated again by a kick a$$ Business continuity plan)