Measles Vaccine

rach_k

Undervalued wrote: »

With the huge money involved in "big pharma" they have a vested interest in promoting the "science" that agrees with them.

I'm pretty sure there's more money to be made from treating measles and any associated illnesses/disabilities than there ever would be in preventing it!

no1catman

Organza_Lace wrote: »

I had measles when i was 8. Ive never been so ill since. I remember how poorly i felt and frightened.

Wouldnt wish that on an adult let alone a child.

Likewise, I had many illnesses in my childhood, that wouldn't/shouldn't be the case these days.

I remember going to the Doctor's and joining long queues for inoculations BCG I think (but what it stood for, I don't remember).

Someone earlier draw an analogy with driving - quite right - for those who drive there is an obligation - not to drive or be under the influence of drugs! society has decided collectively that personal freedoms are to be restricted in order to save other people's lives.
I see no problem, with 'society' making similar obligations to people. Some countries insist for example that children before being enrolled at school, present their vaccination certificates.

Undervalued

no1catman wrote: »

Likewise, I had many illnesses in my childhood, that wouldn't/shouldn't be the case these days.

I remember going to the Doctor's and joining long queues for inoculations BCG I think (but what it stood for, I don't remember).

Someone earlier draw an analogy with driving - quite right - for those who drive there is an obligation - not to drive or be under the influence of drugs! society has decided collectively that personal freedoms are to be restricted in order to save other people's lives.
I see no problem, with 'society' making similar obligations to people. Some countries insist for example that children before being enrolled at school, present their vaccination certificates.

Me!

Although that wasn't quite what I was saying. My point was that if driving a car required the same standards required of professional pilots (regular stringent medicals, £120K worth of initial training, detailed theory and practical exams, six monthly competency checks, truly anonymous "human factor" reporting procedures, virtually zero alcohol limit etc, etc) we would drastically reduce the number of people killed on the roads each year.

However society would no doubt see that as a gross restriction on individual freedom. In effect it "prefers" a couple of thousand people to die needlessly each year so that we can drive around with only the most cursory of checks.

Ms_Mop_123

I still can remember my mum undressing me for bed and telling me she thought I'd got measles, this was in 1963, I was six. The following morning she couldn't wake me. I ended up in an isolation hospital in a coma for two weeks, I had encephalitis, reading what Roald Dahl wrote about his daughter Olivia has upset me, that could of been me.

My parents were told at the time I had a 50/50 chance of surviving and if I lived I would be left with some sort of brain damage. Well I pulled through and to everyone's amazement with no lasting damage. I always say I'm a walking miracle! I remember two student doctors from a university in London travelled up to see me and my parents, I assume they were doing some research into it. I remember I couldn't go back to school for some time afterwards.

People seem to think it's just a childhood illness and obviously it isn't, people need to be educated more about it.

MoneySeeker1

For those wishing to make up their own minds one way or the other.

https://www.vaccines.procon.org

gives both pros and cons in an objective manner.

brook2jack

The website is ok but American based so eg in the U.K. thiomersol hasn't been used in U.K. vaccines since 2005 except in 2010 when it was in the flu vaccine . There are a few other arguments which do not apply to the U.K.

no1catman

Undervalued wrote: »

Me!

Although that wasn't quite what I was saying. My point was that if driving a car required the same standards required of professional pilots (regular stringent medicals, £120K worth of initial training, detailed theory and practical exams, six monthly competency checks, truly anonymous "human factor" reporting procedures, virtually zero alcohol limit etc, etc) we would drastically reduce the number of people killed on the roads each year.

However society would no doubt see that as a gross restriction on individual freedom. In effect it "prefers" a couple of thousand people to die needlessly each year so that we can drive around with only the most cursory of checks.

But IMHO the analogy is stretched - pilots need a higher level of training because of the casualties can result, two planes collide in mid-air and crash land into a built up area - the death tole could be a 1,000+, plus property and infrastructure damage, little wonder their training is stringent.
Possibly next in-line is Train -drivers, and finally HGV drivers. The consequences of anything going wrong are IMHO are much higher than for car drivers.
Even so I think there is scope for catching more people who drink & drive, drive while under the influence of drugs, and driving while using a mobile phone and society would not object.
We insist on children being in child's safety seats - why not be vaccinated!?