Reduce car numbers with a vehicle quota

GreatApe

For London or rather inside the M25

Have an annual auction to be able to drive within the M25 for a period of 1 year
Perhaps holding the auction in September the year before

The lowest bid is the clearing price for everyone
There are perhaps 4 million cars within the M25
Start with an auction process for 3.5 million permits for 2021, 3.4 million permits for 2022, 3.3 million permits for 2023 and so on perhaps going all the way down to 2 million permits in 2035

Exemptions:

Anyone without a permit can drive within the M25 but the price would be set so as to be 5 X the clearing price for a permit (so if the permit cost £1,500 and you assume a car is used 300 days a year you'd have a congestion charge of £25 per day for any car without a permit). Applies to Vans and HGVs too but they would need multiple car permits to equal the ability to drive one of their HGVs. With transport companies perhaps having floating permits is able to have X vehicles inside the M25 rather than tied to a specific HGV. Make taxis electric only

Results.

Less and less traffic
Cheaper and cheaper off peak public transport
Lower oil use both in less cars and better mpg for the remaining cars
Electric taxi use would boom

Those with permits get less traffic and slightly less fuel cost
Those without permits get cheaper public transport
Everyone gets cleaner air

tunnel

Are you for real:rotfl:, so only the rich can drive inside the M25
You should become a comedian....or a politician:eek:

Ectophile

So the richest people get to drive, while the poor people can walk, or ride a bike.


That's not going to go down well with the general populace.

Blackbeard_of_Perranporth

So the rich can drive. OP jump on that boat with Greta and one hopes Arrons tweet does not come ...

GreatApe

1. The truly poor don't drive it's expensive to do so and double so in London

2. The clearing price would be very low to begin with because a lot of dual car owners would drop to one car (I have two cars even though I live alone if there was a quota I'd get rid of one) which is why the initial reduction is 500,000 cars then 100,000 a year (for a few years we would have less cars but each car doing more miles)

3. It's phased in so there is a very gradual 0.1 million reduction per year

4. The 'rich' drivers get benefit of less traffic and a little less fuel burnt per mile. The poor who don't drive anyway, and the marginal driver who opts to give up their car saves money on insurance depreciation fuel maintenance etc and they get free busses and free off peak tubes and trains. Even those with cars will use this free service sometimes

5. Perhaps around the year 2040 when cars are reduced towards 2 million units the clearing price would be circa £1,000 still fairly 'affordable' considering the average car costs a person some £5,000 per year it's 'only' a 20% increase in motoring cost and you get less traffic which is a huge bonus to go from 2 hours driving to 1 hours driving worth the 20% premium (or they wouldn't bid for it)

6. Electric taxis (Uber etc) will be available so people will still have access to cars for when they need them

7. Cleaner air less traffic benefits all

8. 2 million cars for 4 million homes isn't just the rich it's the top 50% have access and seeing as about 20% of London households don't want/own a car it's about 30% that have to give it up. But again they gain in £3-5k saved in not having a car and also free buses and odd peak tubes plus cleaner air. So it's not like they are sacrificing their cars for nothing in return

9. Walking will increase lots of kids and adults could walk and would benefit from it

10. Cycling and those scooters scooters use would go up. Those that don't want to do that have buses and London buses can be very efficient carting 100 persons per bus plus less traffic for these busses

11. People will adapt opting to love closer to work and do their shopping closer to home etc

12. Because of its very slow nature you can assess the impact and reverse course or not reduce the quota so much per year

13. You could even go further and reduce the quota to 1 million cars by 2050 then the clearing price would be very high perhaps £5,000 and yes then it would only be the well off. But this would be okay it would be a voluntary 'tax' and this £5 billion a year could pay for more or less free bus transportation for everyone else. And it wouldn't be like now. Now a route might have one bus every 10 minutes but with this huge increase in demand it night be one bus every 1 minute so more useable with less dead waiting time. Also many more routes available again die to 3 million car passengers converting to buses (and walking scooting cycling)

14. This will help the balance of trade both in less oil useage but also more significantly far fewer spent on importing cars

15. Electric taxi use would boom. The 3 million lost cars (in the extreme example of going from 4 million to 1 million quota) might add demand for 150,000 EVs (human or robot driven) doing the mileage that 1.5 million privately owned cars might have done displacing a huge amount of oil for clean electricity

GreatApe

tunnel wrote: »

Are you for real:rotfl:, so only the rich can drive inside the M25
You should become a comedian....or a politician:eek:

#1. The poor don't drive

#2. I suggested the reduction might be towards 2 million cars from about 4 million today over a period of 15-20 years. The 2,000,000th bidder won't be rich said person will be on roughly the median wage. The clearing price will be such that it is affordable for this person on the median wage

#3 those who drive get the benefit of less congestion and less fuel cost. Those who don't drive get free bus rides for a bus network that is far bigger far quicker far more extensive than today. Everyone gets cleaner air

#4 this is actually likely a net saving for Londoners so they will have more to spend locally (less imported oil and less imported cars)

Bruno58

You are a t@#t

tunnel

GreatApe wrote: »

#1. The poor don't drive

Really?
"At the end of 2016 there were 37.3 million vehicles licensed for use on the roads in Great Britain, of which 30.9 million were cars."
That's either a lot of rich people or poor people do have cars.....which is it to be?

GreatApe

tunnel wrote: »

Really?
"At the end of 2016 there were 37.3 million vehicles licensed for use on the roads in Great Britain, of which 30.9 million were cars."
That's either a lot of rich people or poor people do have cars.....which is it to be?

That's like saying there are 30 million iPhones in the UK (roughly correct) and hence I conclude poor people have iPhones...... Are you that simple?

Some poor people have iPhones. Most don't

Some poor people have cars
Most don't (especially in London)

Examples of large groups that are poor and don't typically have cars

Students. About 2.5 million students. Mostly poor mostly don't own cars

Those on benefits (the legit type not the drug dealers). X million. Mostly poor mostly down own cars.

Single Part time workers. Mostly low income can't afford to buy and run a car they take the bus or walk

Pensioners who only have the state pension. £700 quid month only goes so far

Millions of young adults in their first job for a year or two. Don't have the £5k or whatever it is that it costs to take lessons buy a crap car buy expensive insurance so make do with walking or buses or opting to rent somewhere close to work


Anyway I'm bored good luck to you

pile-o-stone

Is this thread and the others you created an extended swan-song before you leave the forum forever?

GreatApe wrote: »

[Posted: 14-08-2019, 8:32 PM]
With this I will bow out too and intend to delete this account (if possible) if not I'll randomly generated a password I can't recover. I hope not to return to this part of the forum for quite some time (hopefully months if not years)

As someone somewhat prone to obsess it's better to obsess on things that are productive and this really isn't

So I bid you all adieu

As you said in your tearful goodbye message above, "It's better to obsess on things that are productive..."

GreatApe wrote: »

Anyway I'm bored good luck to you

Clearly this thread, which you created after making your decision to leave, falls into your "non-productive" criteria.

So I bid you adieu GA, good luck with finding a more productive outlet for your bile.

JKenH

Bruno58 wrote: »

You are a t@#t

I thought we were trying to be a bit more courteous.