Litter fine question

qwert_yuiop

Where’s the most littered town around? I’d say it’s Keady. People seem to come into town on a Saturday night, have a feed of burgers, chips, drinks, then just buck it all down on the street. What a mess.

pogofish

RikM wrote: »

The thing I didn't know, before looking at this: littering is a criminal offence in NI... Left to local authorities to enforce, but still... Chalk it up with jaywalking.

Actually they don't enforce it - A litter ticket is an offer from the authority to discharge responsibility (effectively turn a blind eye), not a penalty for breaking the law. So they make money by not doing their job..!

pogofish

RikM wrote: »

That would fall under the "consent of the owner" clause in the law... So yes, if the shopping centre says you're allowed to drop litter... (think that's likely?)

No, it would fall under the "consent to operate" part of the law.

Without prior permission/agreement, officials/patrollers are quite limited in what they can and can't do on private property but with a formal agreement in place they can operate pretty-much as they would on public property - and IME, most places with a reasonable amount of effectively public space or footfall (eg Shopping centres, larger hospitals, university campuses etc) have got such agreements in place - but it might be worth checking the specific terms as the detail can vary between sites.

TBagpuss

Missmarie wrote: »

Previous reply is awful. I got a £50 fine at Glasgow Central cause I threw the cigarette down. They don'thave any bins at the station for bomb reasons.

I wrote to Glasgow and said I came out the Somerfield Supermarket and dropped it by accident. They wrote off the fine.

They were wrong. I'm not sure why you would think that adding lying to antisocial behaviour is appropriate or advice that the OP should follow.

Based on what you say, you deliberately threw your litter on the ground because you were too lazy to wait until you could put it in a bin. That's horrible behaviou - why would you think it is acceptable or hat the fact that there wasn't a bin immediately there would make it OK?

If there isn't a bin handy, you keep hold of your litter until you get home, or to somewhere there is a bin.

If you smoke reguarly, perhaps get a small metal tin so you have somewhere you can put cigarette ends in, in your bag or pocket, until you can dispose of them properly.

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Related to this - when the jobsworths ask for "your details", presumably you could tell them anything, or even walk away. If doing the latter, I wonder what they do about it?

qwert_yuiop

johnsmith1890 wrote: »

Related to this - when the jobsworths ask for "your details", presumably you could tell them anything, or even walk away. If doing the latter, I wonder what they do about it?

What’s the difference between doing the job you get paid for and being a jobsworth? Presumably a job involving enforcing littering control rules requires the employee to enforce littering control rules.

Are you that street preacher from portadown?

spadoosh

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

What’s the difference between doing the job you get paid for and being a jobsworth? Presumably a job involving enforcing littering control rules requires the employee to enforce littering control rules.

Are you that street preacher from portadown?

The difference between someone doing their job and someone being a jobsworth is the ability to apply common sense.

So in a litter enforcing scenario, say, someone accidentally drops some litter as theyre pulling their keys from their pocket. They should be politely asked to pick it up. If they refuse then enforce. A jobsworth takes no account of the circumstance and would enforce as soon as they saw the litter hit the floor.

Jobsworths are typically assosciated with enforcement positions. I remember HR would always give me rubbish about clocking in and out. This was someone who knew i hadnt missed a shift or been late once in 10 years. I said to her she should just assume that i was in unless she heard otherwise as it would be painfully obvious to her if i hadnt been in. She then threatened to not pay me if i didnt sign in. At which point i pointed out to her it is only a legal requirement of the employer to keep records of employees attendance for health and safety reasons and there wasnt anything legal to mandate me signing in and out. She never jobsworthed me again.