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Bank of Mum & Dad and FTB Stamp Duty Relief

edited 30 November -1 at 1:00AM in Mortgages & Endowments
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edited 30 November -1 at 1:00AM in Mortgages & Endowments
Could someone tell me, please, if a First Time Buyer buys a property with the assistance of a loan from the Bank of Mum & Dad (no commercial mortgage provider involved) will the buyer obtain FTB Relief from Stamp Duty? The loan will be unsecured and Mum & Dad will have no beneficial interest, equitable interest, rights to proceeds of sale or another interest. Thanks.
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  • GavLGavL Forumite
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    As I understand the loan would need to be “gifted” with no interest from parents in the property.
    With the repayment terms of it then being worked out personally between ftb and parents.
  • davidmcndavidmcn Forumite
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    Yes, where the FTB gets their money from is irrelevant.
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    As you don't need a mortgage you are just buying as if you were a cash buyer.

    the money does not need to be gifted it can be an interest free loan.
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    Even if it was secured i think you'd still be OK.

    I dont see any requirement for there to be a mortgage or cash buyers not being eligible..
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    davidmcn wrote: »
    Yes, where the FTB gets their money from is irrelevant.
    As you don't need a mortgage you are just buying as if you were a cash buyer.

    the money does not need to be gifted it can be an interest free loan.
    AnotherJoe wrote: »
    Even if it was secured i think you'd still be OK.

    I dont see any requirement for there to be a mortgage or cash buyers not being eligible..

    Many thanks for your prompt replies, which confirm my thoughts exactly. I have been in correspondence with HMRC who confirm that the existence of a legal charge (there isn't one) would not disqualify a FTB from FTB relief from Stamp Duty, but rather bizarrely the FTB's solicitors seem to think that the loan itself would cause disqualification.
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    There is an article about SDLT and first time buyer's relief here. https://www.blakemorgan.co.uk/news-events/blog/sdlt-first-time-buyers-relief/ It supports your view that a loan does not cause a problem, it is only the property owning history of the buyer which is relevant.
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    the FTB's solicitors seem to think that the loan itself would cause disqualification.
    Have they explained their rationale?
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    Could someone tell me, please, if a First Time Buyer buys a property with the assistance of a loan from the Bank of Mum & Dad (no commercial mortgage provider involved) will the buyer obtain FTB Relief from Stamp Duty? The loan will be unsecured and Mum & Dad will have no beneficial interest, equitable interest, rights to proceeds of sale or another interest. Thanks.

    The transaction though is not at arms length. You are in effect connected parties. Therefore not acting in your own self interests, i.e. independently.
    “Markets have been so good for so long, that many investors are trivialising the advanatages of actively managing portfolio risk" - Gervais Williams
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    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    The transaction though is not at arms length. You are in effect connected parties. Therefore not acting in your own self interests, i.e. independently.
    Whilst this is true I do not see that it affects the SDLT treatment if it is clear that the parents will have no beneficial interest, equitable interest, rights to proceeds of sale or another interest in the property, but merely the benefit of a loan (with or without security for the loan).
  • AnotherJoeAnotherJoe Forumite
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    Many thanks for your prompt replies, which confirm my thoughts exactly. I have been in correspondence with HMRC who confirm that the existence of a legal charge (there isn't one) would not disqualify a FTB from FTB relief from Stamp Duty, but rather bizarrely the FTB's solicitors seem to think that the loan itself would cause disqualification.

    Ask them to show you the relevant section in the law which states that a private loan disqualifies. Given that the words "mortgage" and "loan" don't even appear in the law (AFAICS) , and that the parents have no beneficial interest in the house, they appear to be making things up as they go.
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