Brexit is bad for housing, that's why some want it

chucknorris

Zero_Sum wrote: »

What racist comments?
Are you suggesting that slum landlords who treat eastern europeans like this are a certain race? If so then i think its you being racist.

Many do live like that, ive seen many a documentry showing this. Ive also seen many a documentry highlighting companies like sports direct who will only employ eastern europeans as they are less aware of employment rights so can get away treating staff like dirt. This is why big business is in favour of FoM as it keeps wages down due to increased supply of workers willing to work for the bottom rate.

And the reason they do live like that, its the only way then can live in London on NMW in doing the low paid service jobs.

It all comes back to the issue of too much investment in London at the expense of the rest of the country.

And social housing still exists. Its just now ran by housing assocs instead of local authorities,

I must admit that I totally don't get your argument here, please explain. I have had some extremely good Polish tenants (as well as others, obviously including English).

But I would never deny others the right to improve their lives, I've had Polish tenants who were architects, working as architectural technicians (well below their capability, I know because I'm a chartered quantity surveyor) and on top of that, they worked part time in restaurants as waiters in the evening. Such commitment to improve their lives should be admired, if you are against this, I would say that you are the racist.

They stayed with me for about 3 years, then bought their own 3 bed house to start a family.

EDIT: I've finished my marking for today:

Freedom of movement is all about people being free to improve their lives, yes of course things should be done to prevent exploitation of those people. But the way to prevent it, should not be to deny them that opportunity to improve their lives.

Zero_Sum

chucknorris wrote: »

I must admit that I totally don't get your argument here, please explain. I have had some extremely good Polish tenants (as well as others, obviously including English).

But I would never deny others the right to improve their lives, I've had Polish tenants who were architects, working as architectural technicians (well below their capability, I know because I'm a chartered quantity surveyor) and on top of that, they worked part time in restaurants as waiters in the evening. Such commitment to improve their lives should be admired, if you are against this, I would say that you are the racist.

They stayed with me for about 3 years, then bought their own 3 bed house to start a family.

What?
At no point have i ever said i dont belive they should be able to improve their lives. Youve just either completely made something up or reading what you want to read.

Im saying i dont believe big business should take advantage & have poor working conditions.
Im saying i dont believe landlords should offer poor housing conditions to make a quick buck.

chucknorris

Zero_Sum wrote: »

What?
At no point have i ever said i dont belive they should be able to improve their lives. Youve just either completely made something up or reading what you want to read.

Im saying i dont believe big business should take advantage & have poor working conditions.
Im saying i dont believe landlords should offer poor housing conditions to make a quick buck.

Right with you about Landlords providing quality housing, in fact, most of the properties that I let, I have lived in myself. I would never let a property that I would not live in myself. Sorry I don't understand why I would make something up? This does not make sense to me, if I did, wouldn't it apparently be 'made up' and hold no validity, so what would be the point?

I'll look at this thread tomorrow and comment again, I'm a bit too busy marking students' dissertations at the moment. But my thrust was that freedom of movement, allows people to improve their lives, and you seem to be against that.

'Quick buck'? I think that you don't understand the property market, it is a long term investment. I've been a landlord for over 28 years, less than 12 years (I would say a fair bit longer) is mere speculation, rather than investment.

triathlon

We have nearly created a perfect UK in the last few decades, now to be destroyed by non achieving Brexiteers

Thrugelmir

triathlon wrote: »

And most of them were not exactly achievers in life, none of them took risks, sacrificed or from what I can see worked hard.

What's the relevance to the title of the thread? Not everybody spends their life chasing money at the expense of other things. I know many that have turned their backs on the American style of doing business.

BikingBud

triathlon wrote: »

We have nearly created a perfect UK in the last few decades, now to be destroyed by non achieving Brexiteers

A nearly perfect UK? Depends upon your idea of utopia I suppose but this comment does seem contradictory to your earlier post:

triathlon wrote: »

many will leave to better countries in my opinion and take all their wealth with them.

I am still waiting for your response:

Tell me about better countries.

Then tell me why you are still in the UK if it is so poor here and their are better places elsewhere, in your opinion of course.

Why vote to remain part of a union in a substandard country?

Why not just leave now and have done with it?

Additionally, keeping your BTL does also seems to contradict your earlier statement about many leaving and taking all their wealth with them.

Do you know what you want?

Zero_Sum

triathlon wrote: »

We have nearly created a perfect UK in the last few decades, now to be destroyed by non achieving Brexiteers

The irony is, this whole mess was created by a high achieving, well educated remainer.

Throughout history whenever theres a financial crisis, it leads to an increased support for far right nationalism. So Cameron holding the referendum only a few years after the crash & putting millions through austerity & pain was always going to end badly. How stupid can this bloke be.

Now of course he didnt really want to have the referendum. He was hoping that he wouldnt win the election outright & still be in coalition with the Lid Dems who would block it as part of any coalition agreement talks. But it was arguably the referendum promise (for the above reasons) which won him the election.

Then in 2017, all these 'clever' remainers had the perfect opportunity to block block brexit by voting Lib Dems. Did they do this? Of course not, they were too busy wanting to punish them over tuition fees.

The trouble is, many of these high achievers live in little middle class bubbles so many social issues arent impacted on their lives. Then sneer at those who live outside their bubble, like you're doing.

Immigration does also put a strain on housing, NHS, school places etc. When remain are challenged with these issues, the only answer they have is but, but, but immigration boosts GDP.

Crashy_Time

Brexit is not only bad for silly property prices, it is also very bad for the established political parties as they lose millions of votes to Farage, and remainers have no one else to vote for except the Liberal Democrats (only if we win) or the SNP, hilarious really, the PTB couldn`t have played it worse if they tried IMO.

Norman_Castle

triathlon wrote: »

We have nearly created a perfect UK in the last few decades, now to be destroyed by non achieving Brexiteers

You've taken advantage of the housing situation and want someone to blame if it changes.
Brexit isn't about you.

triathlon

So many people are using the argument "houses are too expensive for people to afford".

No they are not, I have done it and so have many others, even unskilled people. What purchased houses are though are initially difficult to pay for and sacrifices have to be met, that has always been the case. Many of us have saved along with beg borrowing and stealing and made huge sacrifices, I should have highlighted "borrowing". We keep a clean credit report, prove ourselves reliable and then borrow the money needed in modern day successful Britain, which might seem like a lot too many. Today's snowflakes and under achievers are using Brexit not for a better life, but to make life difficult for those that have worked so hard so they can jump in like vultures after the chaos, which will never work for them I might add,

I am perfectly fine, it would take the property crashes of all property crashes to even get close to making my life worse, but many who have risked all will suffer should we ever Brexit. And if they are like me and I was to lose everything then the banks as far as I am concerned will have to go whistle for their loaned money, a 2nd worse financial crisis would be certain.

I just wish your average Brexiteer had an IQ bigger than their shoe size