backwards running meter

wizardofosmium

Hi,
I'm a new forum member and I have a question.

I'm looking to install solar panels and had an engineer out to discuss it. One thing he said was that I might find my electricity meter starts running backwards when the energy I haven't used is exported back to the grid. He said that this was good but the MSE page (sorry, I can't post links yet) "Solar panels – are they worth it?" states:

Will solar panels make my meter run backwards?

After having panels installed, you might find that your electricity meter starts running backwards when the energy you haven't used is exported back to the grid. This is because some analogue meters don't have backstop built in to stop them winding the wrong way.
If you notice this happening, the best thing to do is to get in touch with your energy supplier so it can exchange the meter for one which is suitable. For more information, see this Which? guide to meters clocking backwards.

The Which guide link doesn't seem to work for me.

Is the engineer correct or should I be wary about having his company do the work?

Mark

Martyn1981

Hiya and welcome.

Please section 4 of the FAQ's (link in my autosig). These FAQs were compiled by PV'ers, and whilst hopefully fact filled, will also reflect opinion.

You will need to notify your leccy supplier, so that they can change the meter if it does spin backwards (it might not). They may change it quickly, or take years, but you need to make sure there are no comebacks on you.

Regarding the engineer, perhaps it was an off the cuff comment, or meant to encourage you to go with PV. I'd agree with you being slightly concerned, but not the end of the world, but if in doubt, check other thoughts, concerns, claims etc with us on here, and we can share advice and actual experience.

All the best.

wizardofosmium

It definitely wasn't an off the cuff comment. He specifically raised it as a benefit to us.


Mark

Carrot007

wizardofosmium wrote: »

It definitely wasn't an off the cuff comment. He specifically raised it as a benefit to us.


Mark

So someone tells you to commit a crime and you think why not?


He knows far well it is a crime.



You are unlikely to get caught unless your subsequent meter reads do not go up. And even if you are stupid enough to do it and let it go down they will only change the meter as it would cost too much to do anything else.

Hexane

wizardofosmium wrote: »

It definitely wasn't an off the cuff comment. He specifically raised it as a benefit to us.

If that is definitely the case and not even possibly a misunderstanding, then yes you should be wary of this installer, because they either (1) are encouraging you to break the law in an attempt to entice you to purchase their product/service, or (2) have no clue what they are doing.

I believe MCS installers are supposed to check that the meter is suitable for the installation, but I imagine many don't. (Maybe this is one of the reasons why there is now an "audit scheme" starting up as mentioned in another thread.)

It's also possible that the "engineer" who came to see you was actually a salesperson, which makes it possible that the actual installer (from the same company) will be someone who genuinely does know what they are doing and/or won't try to mislead you.

es5595

My great-uncle passed away last year, and his electric meter had been running backwards ever since his panels were installed.
He used a little notebook and used to diligently fudge the readings throughout the year so it was all back and matched the meter reading by the end of the winter.
When he was very ill his greatest worry was we might report the meter readings to the electricity board, and we must must must use the readings from his notebook instead!

joefizz

My old meter ran backwards for about week until they came out and changed the meter.
They were supposed to change the meter the day the panels were installed but didnt.


Im in NI and it was my responsibility to let the network operator know in advance and although the installer did this for me, ultimately it was my responsibility. It was then their responsibility to install the meter on time.


It should really all be in the pre installation paperwork submitted to the network operator.... if theres no paperwork I would walk away...

Hexane

joefizz wrote: »

It should really all be in the pre installation paperwork submitted to the network operator.... if theres no paperwork I would walk away...

Even where such paperwork is required (less common in mainland UK?) the installer might not provide it to the end customer in advance. My installer forwarded some of their pre-install correspondence with the DNO to me, but only to show where they were up to in discussions (which were subsequently successful but it took a few weeks).

KevinG

Mine ran backwards for four years until they finally changed it (declared at installation time), but I had to hassle them to get it done. I doubt very much that it counts as a crime, as suggested earlier, and I strongly suspect that a large percentage of meters do run backwards with the owners being oblivious to the fact that this shouldn't happen (as I was at first). Someone I know has a backwards running meter and he certainly sees this as a benefit and doesn't seem to be in a hurry to do anything about it.

Merlin139

My salesman told me about his backwards running meter and used it as a selling point. He looked a my meter and said it would go backwards. I saw it as a possible bonus. He stated that I would just need to tell my electricity supplier in writing about the meter and then it was up to them to change it.

After install we discovered that it only stops and does not go backwards. My meter was installed new when the house was built 17 years ago.

I have a 2nd cousin who has had panels on his roof for the last 6 years and his meter has been going backwards all that time. He sent a letter as soon as he discovered it and 1 on the anniversary for 3 more years.

3 times a year he gets a rebate from his supplier as his meter goes backwards and pays his electric bill once a year in the spring for the winter. Its not a FIT payment as his panels are on a rent a roof scheme. The system is 5 kWp and his roof faces nearly south and he lives near Basingstoke.

Sometime this year he may have a problem as the meter will reach 0 and if it goes further he could get a massive bill as it will get into the 99 thousands!

That maybe the time when the Electric Company sort the problem out.

JKenH

My meter also ran backwards. Anorak that I am, I was frustrated that it was messing up my figures so I notified my leccy supplier. Just before it was due to be changed I realised that I would have a negative reading compared to my last declared meter reading and that might trigger the supplier to back charge me. (I had read stories of suppliers issuing estimated bills in this situation). I therefore switched the panels off for 2 days so I had a very low positive reading and didn’t hear any more about it.