Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

mayonnaise

Tromking wrote: »

I think we’ve had this discussion before, but the ‘far-right’ as a reasonable person would consider it, is nowhere in mainstream British politics.

We just found out our future PM was coached by Steve Bannon during the leave campaign.
No no......no far-right in mainstream British politics. No siree.

SpiderLegs

lisyloo wrote: »

So what happens if we have a no confidence vote and enough Tories vote for it
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48742881

Do we then have a chaotic no deal by default or would we likely get another extension?

Someone has to ask for an extension and the eu has to agree it.

Not much time available to pass a no confidence vote and get a general election out of the way before 31/10.
All this talk of a new PM purposely starting prorogation is interesting, but actually it could be the no confidence vote that could cause no-deal.

I doubt an immediate vote will bring down the new PM before summer recess, but I expect we’ll have one as a labour desperation tactic.
The real window looks like first two weeks of September, which if the new PM is seen to be making some progress is going to make it just as tough for Tory rebels to vote the govt down.

Who knows though. Tories could rebel, labour could rebel. Anything could happen. Corbyn in Downing Street could actually happen :rotfl:
Very very interesting.

buglawton

SpiderLegs wrote: »

Someone has to ask for an extension and the eu has to agree it.

Not much time available to pass a no confidence vote and get a general election out of the way before 31/10.
All this talk of a new PM purposely starting prorogation is interesting, but actually it could be the no confidence vote that could cause no-deal.

I doubt an immediate vote will bring down the new PM before summer recess, but I expect we’ll have one as a labour desperation tactic.
The real window looks like first two weeks of September, which if the new PM is seen to be making some progress is going to make it just as tough for Tory rebels to vote the govt down.

Who knows though. Tories could rebel, labour could rebel. Anything could happen. Corbyn in Downing Street could actually happen :rotfl:
Very very interesting.

As I understand it, Conservative party rules allow Tory no-confidence voting MPs to be barred from standing at the next GE as Conservative candidates. Boris should tell them in advance that he'll bar them and offer to support the local Brexit party candidate in those cases. That way a right-leaning coalition will be in power after the next GE come what may.

borntobefree

buglawton wrote: »

As I understand it, Conservative party rules allow Tory no-confidence voting MPs to be barred from standing at the next GE as Conservative candidates. Boris should tell them in advance that he'll bar them and offer to support the local Brexit party candidate in those cases. That way a right-leaning coalition will be in power after the next GE come what may.

Many of them are having trouble from their local constituency parties anyway, so they have nothing to lose by voting no confidence.

borntobefree

lisyloo wrote: »

So what happens if we have a no confidence vote and enough Tories vote for it
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48742881

Do we then have a chaotic no deal by default or would we likely get another extension?

After a NC vote there is 14 days for all parties to put a new government in place. There is talk of a national unity government of remainers, the new government’s sole purpose would be to get through legislation for a second referendum ...

LHW99

borntobefree wrote: »

After a NC vote there is 14 days for all parties to put a new government in place. There is talk of a national unity government of remainers, the new government’s sole purpose would be to get through legislation for a second referendum ...

But a second referendum was voted out earlier on - would there actually be a majority for that I wonder?

borntobefree

LHW99 wrote: »

But a second referendum was voted out earlier on - would there actually be a majority for that I wonder?

Good question that... especially as there seems to be 26 Labour MPs who have become quite Brexity....

Enterprise_1701C

borntobefree wrote: »

After a NC vote there is 14 days for all parties to put a new government in place. There is talk of a national unity government of remainers, the new government’s sole purpose would be to get through legislation for a second referendum ...

They should call a General Election after 14 days.

Amazingly this is not an obligation.

Anyone with an ounce of honour would resign after a vote of no confidence, a bit like when Corbyn had a vote of no confidence passed against him by a massive margin, oh, wait ………………..

SpiderLegs

LHW99 wrote: »

But a second referendum was voted out earlier on - would there actually be a majority for that I wonder?

There’s nowhere near a majority for that. And forming a govt that is stable enough to do that in 14 days is asking a lot.
It would effectively need Tory MPs to actively put Corbyn in no 10. Not by accident, they would actually have to purposefully do that.

I guess it could happen. I could then see something equally as extreme as dozens of Tory MPs resign their seats in protest.

lisyloo

So we have absolutely no way to proceed.
I really can’t believe we are where we are.