fair disciplinary process

holow666

i just would like some clarity
So i had first not disciplinary investigation, and outcome was that i am forwarded to disciplinary investigation. On this outcome was stated that i have 7 days to appeal it.
i did but it was ignored and at disciplinary investigation was stated that i could not appeal because conduct issue was already identified. I dont understand this part and i feel the process is already unfair. I gave a grievance regarding this, and it was rejected, with the reason that i am in disciplinary process.
Does employer acts fairly and reasonable?

jonnygee2

Does employer acts fairly and reasonable?

They should take reasonable steps to investigate and give you a chance to defend yourself.

But there is no exact process they have to follow. They don't have to allow appeals etc.

Basically nothing you have described would be considered unfair or unreasonable on its own.

Masomnia

holow666 wrote: »

i just would like some clarity
So i had first not disciplinary investigation, and outcome was that i am forwarded to disciplinary investigation. On this outcome was stated that i have 7 days to appeal it.
i did but it was ignored and at disciplinary investigation was stated that i could not appeal because conduct issue was already identified. I dont understand this part and i feel the process is already unfair. I gave a grievance regarding this, and it was rejected, with the reason that i am in disciplinary process.
Does employer acts fairly and reasonable?

So you had an investigation and they decided as a result that there should be a hearing?

But they gave you the right to appeal the decision to hold a hearing? That makes no sense. I don't think it's unfair as such, but it makes no sense to me at all.

LilElvis

holow666 wrote: »

i just would like some clarity
So i had first not disciplinary investigation, and outcome was that i am forwarded to disciplinary investigation. On this outcome was stated that i have 7 days to appeal it.
i did but it was ignored and at disciplinary investigation was stated that i could not appeal because conduct issue was already identified. I dont understand this part and i feel the process is already unfair. I gave a grievance regarding this, and it was rejected, with the reason that i am in disciplinary process.
Does employer acts fairly and reasonable?

Does this have something to do with the two threads you have started re your employer's sickness policy?

holow666

Masomnia wrote: »

So you had an investigation and they decided as a result that there should be a hearing?

But they gave you the right to appeal the decision to hold a hearing? That makes no sense. I don't think it's unfair as such, but it makes no sense to me at all.

they maid non disciplinary investigation, and in this outcome forwarded me to disciplinary investigation
they stated i have right to appeal, and my appeal was ignored. What about grievance during disciplinary?

holow666

jonnygee2 wrote: »

They should take reasonable steps to investigate and give you a chance to defend yourself.

But there is no exact process they have to follow. They don't have to allow appeals etc.

Basically nothing you have described would be considered unfair or unreasonable on its own.

yes, but i got investigation outcome (not disciplinary investigation) that i have right to appeal it, so if they stated i did have this right given by them, why they ignored it? Its just weird and disrespectful. That why i feel they bias, how it is reasonable?

Masomnia

I think they've possibly got the wrong end of the stick from some advice they've had or something because they've given you the right to appeal something that you wouldn't normally have the right to appeal. If they give you a written warning, demotion, dismiss you etc then they should give the right to appeal. If it goes to a hearing and you think it isn't fair that it has gone to a hearing then the hearing is your chance to say so; no need for an appeal.

If I were advising your employer then that is what I would say about the grievance. If the grievance amounts to the mitigation that you would be putting forward in the hearing then just have the hearing (policy permitting).

nicechap

holow666 wrote: »

i just would like some clarity
So i had first not disciplinary investigation, and outcome was that i am forwarded to disciplinary investigation. On this outcome was stated that i have 7 days to appeal it.
i did but it was ignored and at disciplinary investigation was stated that i could not appeal because conduct issue was already identified. I dont understand this part and i feel the process is already unfair. I gave a grievance regarding this, and it was rejected, with the reason that i am in disciplinary process.
Does employer acts fairly and reasonable?

Like with your two other threads I suspect the problem lies with your understanding & interpretation of what your employer is/ has done.

My reading of your story is you've had your fact finding meeting AND your disciplinary investigation and your other threads were an attempt to find grounds for an appeal. You raised a grievance whilst under the disciplinary.

Your employer only has to have a REASONABLE belief that you have abused their sickness policy, they do not have to PROVE it to you.

TELLIT01

holow666 wrote: »

they maid non disciplinary investigation, and in this outcome forwarded me to disciplinary investigation
they stated i have right to appeal, and my appeal was ignored. What about grievance during disciplinary?

The fact that your appeal was unsuccessful doesn't necessarily mean it was ignored. It just means they didn't accept that the reasons you gave for not moving to the next stage outweighs the reasons for taking things further.
They should really have informed you that the appeal had failed, out of courtesy if nothing else.

ohreally

An investigation has led to a disciplinary hearing being convened, you disagreed with the outcome and appealed, the appeal fell so you went to grievance which fell. Is this correct.

polgara

Can I suggest that you really need to improve your written English as your posts are extremely difficult to understand.