Do I need UTR number

zainpk4

Hello Guys,

I am asking this question on behalf of my dad. He just recently started working for a security company as a guard. He wanted to know that does he need a UTR number for where he is working in other words does he needs to file a tax return as well. He is not sure if it a self employed job or cash in hand as he is working for an organisation. Kindly help me this situation.

Neil_Jones

As a general rule if you're working for somebody or a company and get paid by them for working there, you are usually classed as employed.

However it is possible depending on arrangements to go down down the self employed route so I'd say in the first instance check the contract.

Samsung_Note2

Your Dad should have been asked for National insurance number...proof of right to work along with the obviously Badge number ect.

Self employed or cash in hand either way he will need to account for his wages...id imagine he will be PAYE as you mentioned an organisation.

If he is working for Dodgy Bob from don the Pub doing ad hock work then id say its back pocket money and dont worry about it.

KiKi

Your dad needs to ask the company whether he's employed by them / another organisation, or whether he's self employed.

If he's self employed, then he'll need to file a tax return, for which he'll need a UTR. If he's employed, then all his tax will be sorted via his salary.

Savvy_Sue

Mostly sound advice from Samsung Note, but not the last bit.

Samsung_Note2 wrote: »

If he is working for Dodgy Bob from don the Pub doing ad hock work then id say its back pocket money and dont worry about it.

That is IMO really bad advice, because a) tax and NI may still be due even if it's cash in hand into Dad's back pocket b) if the OP's dad is injured or sued and Dodgy Bob has no insurance there may be a lot to worry about.

OP, your dad needs to look at his contract, and if he doesn't have one he needs to ask for one. He needs to ask when and how he'll be paid.

Samsung_Note2

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

Mostly sound advice from Samsung Note, but not the last bit.
That is IMO really bad advice, because a) tax and NI may still be due even if it's cash in hand into Dad's back pocket b) if the OP's dad is injured or sued and Dodgy Bob has no insurance there may be a lot to worry about.

OP, your dad needs to look at his contract, and if he doesn't have one he needs to ask for one. He needs to ask when and how he'll be paid.

Trust me Dodgy Bob doesn't have insurance...his brother Dodgy Dave has but he works in Construction,so in no way does that help the OP"s dad nor Dodgy Bob.


I dont think anyone would have take my last few words to seriously...i mean come on Working for Dodgy Bob from down the pub...couldnt be more tongue in cheek;):D

Savvy_Sue

Well fair enough, but I sensed - perhaps wrongly - from the first post that the OP's first language might not be English, and they might take you seriously - some people do believe that if it's cash in hand, no-one needs to know!

Samsung_Note2

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

Well fair enough, but I sensed - perhaps wrongly - from the first post that the OP's first language might not be English, and they might take you seriously - some people do believe that if it's cash in hand, no-one needs to know!

Yes good point..id say all joking aside,if they were offerd cash without any strings,plenty would take it and keep quiet.

Oddly enough i was working with a chap (he was stand in cover) and he said he was self employed and works for cash,ive asked self employed as in UTR and accountant...he laughed and said "No self employed as on the dole and working"...he thought it was hilarious.

Got to say thats the first time in years and years ive come across someone getting cash in hand through a Company.