Asked advice about overpayment.... today they fired me!! ?

Undervalued

spadoosh wrote: »

How am i overstating this?

Its blatantly obvious that the employes hasnt been treat fairly from what theyve put. I think they have every right to feel aggrieved and as such a complaint is warranted.

Ive not said they need to expect much out of this, ive not said they cant be sacked, ive not said they should sue for millions, ive said i think theyve been treated unfairly and i believe it warrants putting in a complaint.

You might just accept and move on, for me, id have to highlight the poor practice shown irrespective of a positive outcome.

No, it is possible but it is not "blatantly obvious". It is also possible that the OP was far more to blame for the pay errors than they admit. It is also perfectly possible that the employer wasn't "happy with their attitude" and this was the final straw.

Plus, as we have been reminded, this was zero hour so at least the employer is being honest in dismissing rather than stringing the employee along whist assigning no work.

If they feel aggrieved they can complain to the senior partner (assuming it is that sort of practice) but there is nothing they can do beyond that.

Finally, it is a judgement call whether a complaint will allow them more time to repay the money or whether it will harden the employer's attitude and make them seek faster repayment.

Comms69

Unfortunately, it is most likely not an NHS role, as 99.9% of GPs are private companies.

pmduk

OP, I'm sorry, it stinks, but at least you're better off out of there. If you don't mind publicity you could embarrass them in the local paper, but personally, I'd walk with my head held high hoping karma gets them.

mangog

This does seem unfair to me on a human level but I don't know if legally you have anything to go on. If it was a zero hours contract I assume they can just not give you any more hours which effectively ends the contract? I'm not sure how it works but I'd guess they can just say they don't need you any more, as that flexibility is part of the zero hours package.

Did they give you any idea about how and when they need the full sum paid back in this meeting? I was in a similar situation recently (local government) where a fixed term contract ended halfway through the month and I was (over)paid for the full month. I was sent a demand letter for the full amount despite having just become unemployed. Luckily for me they were open to a repayment plan and even more conveniently I then found a new job within the same organisation, so they agreed to take the repayments directly from my wages. This info probably doesn't help you other than to say that it should be possible to set up a repayment plan rather than the lump sum and I'd suggest it's unreasonable to expect the full amount back from someone who is now unemployed.

Good luck getting it sorted. If I were you I would focus on getting the repayments agreed and paid off, rather than a complaint, but if you do want to complain I would send it in writing to the head of HR or equivalent, rather than the (potentially untrustworthy) person your manager named.

TELLIT01

spadoosh wrote: »

Read the other post first before making your judgements.



It seems like, whilst we dont have the full story, a lot of things havent been carried out correctly here.

I read the only previous item in this topic. I'm not going searching the forum for other posts by the same person. I haven't made a judgement and I've explained why I'm making the observations. Bottom line is that the employer can generally 'release' an employee without giving any reason if the employment has been less than 2 years. There are exceptions to that but nothing in the OP suggests they fall into those categories.

jobbingmusician

Appalling treatment, assuming that what you wrote in the first thread was accurate. I think I would complain to the local Clinical Commissioning Group for starters. I'd certainly want to throw as much dirt as possible!

If you're young (just finishing your degree in your early 20's) this is probably also making you feel really !!!! (apart from the financial aspect). I just wanted to make some reassuring noises, really, that there ARE rubbish employers out there (and the NHS tends to be one of the worst*) and you've just had really bad luck with this one. Throw some muck around and make problems for them if you can, or just turn your back on it and move on.

*Why do I think this? I used to run a large counselling service. The number of people who had been treated badly by this employer was legion!

hellopigeon

I just asked about the CQC without realising that the info i need is already in this thread so thank you!


Another note on my overpayment....ive just looked in my employee handbook and it says that in the case of an overpayment, if it goes on for a number of months 'the Group will reclaim the overpayment by making deductions from your salary, possibly on a deferred payment basis and by agreement with you'.

antrobus

jobbingmusician wrote: »

... I think I would complain to the local Clinical Commissioning Group for starters. I'd certainly want to throw as much dirt as possible!

....

You can either complain to the NHS service provider directly (such as a GP, a dentist surgery, or a hospital) or to the commissioner of the services, which is the body that pays for the NHS services you use. You can't apply to both.

https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/about-the-nhs/how-to-complain-to-the-nhs/

Clinical Commissioning Groups are clinically-led statutory NHS bodies responsible for the planning and commissioning of health care services for their local area

https://www.nhscc.org/ccgs/

I'm not convinced that a CCG would have any interest in a complaint made by a former employee of a GP practice.

hellopigeon

It seems from all the links and advice I’ve been given that I ‘could’ make a complaint but that it wouldn’t really be worth it. At all.

So I guess I’ll just be sad for a few days and then move on.

Thanks for all your help.

Manxman_in_exile

I tend to agree with what others have said about the OP probably(?) not being a NHS employee. Most GPs are independent contractors but I'm unsure about who employs their non-clinical staff.


Without knowing all the ins and outs of this I am surprised that they would not agree to a repayment plan over the same period as the overpayment. Why the employer has taken this action I can only speculate.


I have no idea whom you complain to regarding an employment issue (apart, obviously, to the practice manager - what does it say about complaints in the "handbook"?).


I can't believe the local Care Commissioning Group would have any interest in this.


Oh - by the way - you're not registered as a patient at this surgery are you?