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Blackbeard_of_Perranporth

No it is not unfair. Perhaps the post office gives you a bit of job security.

High street retail is in decline, the current BoPsie left the reatsil sector some time ago.

TELLIT01

Life isn't always fair. As long as you are being paid the National Living Wage or above, you have no legal right to demand a pay rise for taking on additional responsibilities.
You could raise the issue with your employer who may or may not be receptive to the idea of increasing pay, or you could start looking for another job. The third alternative is to say nothing, continue to have a sense of injustice and be unhappy in your job. I suspect the majority of people take the third alternative, I know I did on occasion during my working life.

Takeaway_Addict

elliemay099 wrote: »

I work in a convenience store which has a post office section now, all of us staff who are shop assistants have had to train to become post office clerks. it is a very demanding and difficult process learning to do something new which is not what we had set out in our job description when we applied for our positions at the store.
we are not getting increased pay to become a post office clerk and we are primarily shop assistants still, having to go from serving customers at the retail side of the business to the post office side all the time. we dont get the jobs as a shop assistant done in time as we have to work two different jobs, its so stressful, I dislike working as a post office clerk as am still learning and finding it way too much in such a busy store, its all computerised and you would think that its easy but it is not, its very involved with so many areas on the screen and so much more to remember it is imperative to get it right. why should we not get a wage increase learning a whole new profession? we are paid currently the national minimal wage, we are not allowed to work full time in convenience stores, all are part time , so we do not get a wage increase but the co operative stake holders do well out of it .
This Mutualisation of post offices that came about is all for profit for private sector and we the shop staff in the meantime are not getting anything out of it financially. what is the point in becoming a post office clerk and not getting paid for it.
we could not opt out, we all had to do it, we were not given the choice. now i am afraid that as i am struggling doing 2 jobs at nigh on the same time that if i ask to opt out and just stay as the shop assistant I was initially employed as that I could lose my job.
does anyone know if we have rights in all of this, can we opt out to be a post office clerk in a convenience store, or would we be told that we cannot work in the convenience store anymore unless we comply? do we have any rights as employees in these matters? It is unfair to treat us like this, we should not have to become a post office clerk and in turn not even get a pay rise.

leave then?

[Deleted User]

Think of the gained experience, skills, knowledge, increased exposure to develop your customer care skills and be grateful you still have a job and didn’t get the sack.

MacMickster

With experience as a shop assistant I'm sure that you would have little difficulty in finding another shop assistant job in another shop if the responsibilities of your current job no longer suit you.

As you get older you will realise that, wherever you work, changes in the job that you do and what is expected of you by your employer are simply part of working life. Nothing stays the same. You need to adapt to new things without complaining or you will find that you are constantly job hopping each time your employer makes changes to try to stay in business.

jonnygee2

all of us staff who are shop assistants have had to train to become post office clerks. it is a very demanding and difficult process

Honestly not sure I agree. I think you are over egging this in the hopes that somehow you'll get a massive raise.

The fact is that post office clerks are about the same level and get paid about the same as other types of shop assistants. So there's no business case for a company to pay you more.

Best case, you convince them it's a different role and they make you redundant.

Sea_Shell

If you're finding the job hard, stressful and demanding and you dislike it so much, is more money going to make all those things go away?? How much money is worth a job you don't like anymore?

suki1964

End of the day you have a part time job in a shop paying NMW of £7.83 and hour. You are there for x amount of hours, you can only do one job at once - serve on the checkout or serve on the post office. You can not be restocking if you are serving so the restocking has to go by the by, which isn't your problem, its the owners. When they see that restocking isn't being managed, that the shop is a mess and losing customers, then they will have to take the decision of employing more staff, or offering more hours

You are not the only one on NMW who is having to deal with taking on extra responsibility for the same pay. My own job for example has become more automated which means I now have to jump onto other areas to help because jobs which would take me an hour now take 5 mins. So rather then have my hours cut, Ive had to become flexible and work on other departments.

The difference is, I enjoy my work so I don't care what Im actually doing. Our whole small workforce likes where they work and go the extra mile to keep the business afloat, sometimes working 12/14 hr days, 7 days a week

Price rises happen. The weather conditions the world has been seeing has meant shortages of some crops. January this year spuds were £50 a tonne, this month they are £500. I still want my wages, electric, water, taxes etc still have to be paid, but should my boss still sell the finished product at the same price as he was in January? Should the government - ie tax payers - be subsidising him so that you the consumer doesn't pay extra at the point of sale?

Your job is what it is, just do what so many of us do, go in, do the work, come home again and keep collecting the wages. It does help if you enjoy your work, it helps if you have a good relationship with colleagues, it helps a lot more if you aren't all going in and !!!!!ing and whinging about who's doing what and for how much

If you are on a low income and are having difficulties in making ends meet, then check if you are entitled to any in work benefits and claim them. If you are not entitled to any then come over to the old style board where theres a whole host of us living on fresh air who can help and advise with budgeting and making the pennies stretch

Takeaway_Addict

suki1964 wrote: »

End of the day you have a part time job in a shop paying NMW of £7.83 and hour. You are there for x amount of hours, you can only do one job at once - serve on the checkout or serve on the post office. You can not be restocking if you are serving so the restocking has to go by the by, which isn't your problem, its the owners. When they see that restocking isn't being managed, that the shop is a mess and losing customers, then they will have to take the decision of employing more staff, or offering more hours

You are not the only one on NMW who is having to deal with taking on extra responsibility for the same pay. My own job for example has become more automated which means I now have to jump onto other areas to help because jobs which would take me an hour now take 5 mins. So rather then have my hours cut, Ive had to become flexible and work on other departments.

The difference is, I enjoy my work so I don't care what Im actually doing. Our whole small workforce likes where they work and go the extra mile to keep the business afloat, sometimes working 12/14 hr days, 7 days a week

Price rises happen. The weather conditions the world has been seeing has meant shortages of some crops. January this year spuds were £50 a tonne, this month they are £500. I still want my wages, electric, water, taxes etc still have to be paid, but should my boss still sell the finished product at the same price as he was in January? Should the government - ie tax payers - be subsidising him so that you the consumer doesn't pay extra at the point of sale?

Your job is what it is, just do what so many of us do, go in, do the work, come home again and keep collecting the wages. It does help if you enjoy your work, it helps if you have a good relationship with colleagues, it helps a lot more if you aren't all going in and !!!!!ing and whinging about who's doing what and for how much

If you are on a low income and are having difficulties in making ends meet, then check if you are entitled to any in work benefits and claim them. If you are not entitled to any then come over to the old style board where theres a whole host of us living on fresh air who can help and advise with budgeting and making the pennies stretch

Or they'll get people that can do the job

Takeaway_Addict

elliemay099 wrote: »

i am not that young. no jobs available unless you take on another part time job that does not fit round my hours where i am , we have to work certain shifts which do not enable me to find another nearby job that i can get to and fro from in time,only cleaning or care jobs that would possibly fit due to the hours, but i cannot do manual work that entails heavy repetitive manual work due to my physical conditions, most full time jobs are rare and if they are on the jobsites they are for jobs which have to have experience in that role or some professional background that i have no experience or qualifications for. i dont expect a massive pay rise, just another couple of pounds per hour, You're asking for a 20-25% payrise....thats quite alot if we just put up with how we are expected to fall in line on our low wages by having no choice in having to do the post office clerk position as well as our roles we do then times are not changing by improving the quality of the workers, just loading us up to multitask with no pay increase. Join a union?



yes i am lucky to have a job, but in this day and age you would think that things should be improving not going backwards. the national minimal wage is too low anyway, everything goes up constantly, one example is an item in our shop the price rose by 21p out of the blue, so of the vast amount of produce we sell, think on how much those are jumping up in such price hikes, shopping bills are getting costly thats without everything else. each shop charges different amounts for the same item, its about time there was a change thereby every retail store , supermarket are made to sell at the actual value of that item, not hiking up in the way they are done indiscriminately and frequently. You clearly have no idea on running a business.



what is a loaf of bread really worth? if we are to just get pennies by way of a rise of the national national minimal wage a year, how can it be justified to raise prices of food throughout the year in such hikes. if we all had the minimum living wage it would surely be fair, why live below it, if companies are abe to raise prices at such a jump, they must be profiting well.the point is, i dont want to train as a post office clerk, and try doing my own job too, and get paid nothing extra when its also not our faults the government have not helped to keep our post offices open, and are shutting them down, its not our fault that banks are disappearing off the high street and if you want to talk to someone in the bank you now have to travel miles to another town to get to your bank at a different branch, so what happens when theyve all gone? they say you have to go to another branch elsewhere to talk face to face , if yours is closed down, they wont discuss it over the phone because of possible fraud, they have to have you in the bank to deal with certain things, so how are they going to resolve that.

my whole point is, its not the peoples fault everything is being made harder, more expensive, low wages,its all bad management and lack of care for the workers and those who cannot find work that pays enough to lead quality of life and mostly afford to pay high rents on the basic national minimal wage. i may work part time but my hours are the most i can work, we are not allowed full time hours in shop assistant jobs of the kind. i pay all of my rent and council tax etc. if i claimed help people would soon say on here that i am wrong to do so.
why should we bow to what is being done to us? we should have a say ,so people saying to me, get another job then,.. where ? how? you do not have a clue, and the comment saying it will mean i will have more experience after learning this post office clerk job , ...which by the way i wont be taking with me in any other similar position other than another convenience store working the same role i have on the same wage, and post offices are closing ,

post office clerks get 8.50ph, i get less by the way, but if you had to work in an office for a firm, and asked to be a post office clerk too, how are you going to do both jobs at the same time? yes,. sign of the times,

I started going through it but frankly you are whining and blaming everyone else bar yourself for the situation.



You need to be more positive because your negativity won't get you anywhere.