Will there really be a crash?

Herzlos

No, he really seems to be that arrogant.

Malthusian wrote: »

An experienced teacher is in the top 30% (£32,300 plus one year's inflation), even if you ignore the pension, and that is a job open to literally anybody who wants one.

Is teaching easy in the sense it takes no effort? No. Is it difficult in the sense that it requires an inborn talent (like professional football), a high IQ (like quant finance) or luck (like showbiz)? Not in the slightest.

It is not a question of whether it is easy or difficult to earn £32,300+ a year, it is a question of whether it is available if you want it. If herding kids isn't your thing then there are plenty of other jobs which have a clear accessible path to a £32,300+ salary with no luck or unique talent required beyond normal mental capacity. And people with subnormal mental capacity have never expected to be homeowners with desirable houses.

Teaching is a pretty good suggestion, but it requires a degree (which requires money) and there seems to be a huge shortage of teaching jobs, and education is getting it's funding cut to painful levels. So if you're fortunate to be qualified and get something, you can do an underappreciated job in an underfunded sector. Awesome. It also requires a lot of patience and empathy - I couldn't teach kids.

ukcarper

dont_use_vistaprint wrote: »

Iv'e driven in London a lot, its a pleasure compared to many cities in the world. Although I know what you mean, I drove into Hammersmith once for a 9am start, never again! The last few miles is near stand still

Anyway I was talking about a train that takes 1-hr 15 from Grantham to Kings X, not driving

I had to drive for work couldnt use public transport not every body can and your journey was far from unusual.

I'm not talking about people who live in central London, where I live it's 50 mins to Waterloo but overall journey time to get to some of the places I had to go to was 2 hours. Yearly season tick from Grantham is £7620 so you would need to earn £9.5k to take that home at 20% tax that's quite a big chunk out of London median full time earnings of £36k.

ukcarper

Malthusian wrote: »

As nobody has to do that, I am glad we have reached agreement that there is no problem.

The cost is a fraction of the London salary differential, which is why so many people pay it. Anyone who seriously complains about the cost and obsesses over the £6,000 season ticket instead of the £10,000+ they get in exchange needs to spend some of their London salary on some therapy.

No time is lost on the train as everyone spends part of their day sitting down and working on their laptop, reading or playing games whether they commute to London or not. Only travel to and from the station is dead time.

Thanks to the billions the nation has spent on London's transport network, they can combine some of this work or leisure time with travelling to London in order to earn tens of thousands of pounds more money than if they had a job at home, which would probably involve just as much dead time commuting.

An experienced teacher is in the top 30% (£32,300 plus one year's inflation), even if you ignore the pension, and that is a job open to literally anybody who wants one.

Is teaching easy in the sense it takes no effort? No. Is it difficult in the sense that it requires an inborn talent (like professional football), a high IQ (like quant finance) or luck (like showbiz)? Not in the slightest.

It is not a question of whether it is easy or difficult to earn £32,300+ a year, it is a question of whether it is available if you want it. If herding kids isn't your thing then there are plenty of other jobs which have a clear accessible path to a £32,300+ salary with no luck or unique talent required beyond normal mental capacity. And people with subnormal mental capacity have never expected to be homeowners with desirable houses.

You need to earn £7.5k to take home £6k a a large chunk of the £36k median full time earnings for London.
£32,3000 would not buy you the flat I was talking about.

triathlon

andrewf75 wrote: »

While I agree with your advice that its best to buy wherever possible, why would you not socialise or be friends with someone who sees things differently?! What a boring life you must lead socialising only with people just like you. Or is this a wind up? Have I misread something?

Look, there are people, usually lefty liberal types, who like to pretend there is a certain type of world and there are people who actually are awake and are living in the real world. I have had enough tenants to know in general what they are like, going through life living in suitcases, never fitting in, so so much more.
Another example away from rented talk, Where I once lived there were a number of ethnic communities for example, all the Guardian reader types pretending that we all lived in the wonderful rainbow nation, all brothers and sisters etc. Yet not one of these people lived anywhere near these communities and never would, some people just cannot be honest with themselves.
Tenants in my eyes are fine as long as they are not late with the rent, that's where our relationship ends.

lookstraightahead

trithlon, have you ever thought of being in panto?

andrewf75

triathlon wrote: »

Look, there are people, usually lefty liberal types, who like to pretend there is a certain type of world and there are people who actually are awake and are living in the real world. I have had enough tenants to know in general what they are like, going through life living in suitcases, never fitting in, so so much more.
Another example away from rented talk, Where I once lived there were a number of ethnic communities for example, all the Guardian reader types pretending that we all lived in the wonderful rainbow nation, all brothers and sisters etc. Yet not one of these people lived anywhere near these communities and never would, some people just cannot be honest with themselves.
Tenants in my eyes are fine as long as they are not late with the rent, that's where our relationship ends.

I doubt they would want any more of a relationship with you and neither I suspect would the vast majority of home owners reading your views.
Its people like you who don’t live in the real world. I mean honestly, not being friends with or wanting to associate with people who rent their home is just off the scale! It comes as no surprise that you are intolerant of other political views as well.
Makes me feel quite lucky to know and get on with people from all walks of life, rich, poor, home owners, renters, council tenants, black, Asian, white, gay, straight and feel quite sorry for you.
Or maybe I’ve just played right into your hands with the reaction your wind up was seeking…..

triathlon

lookstraightahead wrote: »

trithlon, have you ever thought of being in panto?

Jealousy, get it all the time, I have taught myself to take it as a type of compliment these days

triathlon

andrewf75 wrote: »

I doubt they would want any more of a relationship with you and neither I suspect would the vast majority of home owners reading your views.
Its people like you who don’t live in the real world. I mean honestly, not being friends with or wanting to associate with people who rent their home is just off the scale! It comes as no surprise that you are intolerant of other political views as well.
Makes me feel quite lucky to know and get on with people from all walks of life, rich, poor, home owners, renters, council tenants, black, Asian, white, gay, straight and feel quite sorry for you.
Or maybe I’ve just played right into your hands with the reaction your wind up was seeking…..

Yes, I bet you just love everyone

get real :rotfl:

andrewf75

triathlon wrote: »

Yes, I bet you just love everyone

get real :rotfl:

Never said I love everyone. There are loads of people I don't like, the difference is it's individuals I don't like, I don't dislike people based on some generalisation.
That's pretty normal. You most certainly are not!

lookstraightahead

triathlon wrote: »

Jealousy, get it all the time, I have taught myself to take it as a type of compliment these days

Who's jealous of you? You never see anyone who isn't the 'same' as you :rotfl: