Working extra hours (salaried)

northwest1965

An update....a colleague went to the Union and the Union emailed the manager to say that it is not legal to do this.

The manager then emailed the person who went to the Union (no one else) and said that they did not need to attend outside of contracted hours

TELLIT01

Back in the 1970's John Cleese produced a training film called "Meetings bloody meetings" and it was absolutely brilliant. If you get a chance watch it as it shows all the reasons for NOT having meetings to where trivia takes over the meeting and loads of other meeting !!!!-ups.
The one immediate memory I have is of the 'Friday Meeting'. It went along the lines of "Why are we having the meeting?", "It's Friday", "Yes, but why are we having the meeting?", "It's the Friday meeting", "Yes, but WHY are we having the meeting?" "It's Friday and we always have the meeting on Friday", "Yes, but what is the meeting about?", "What do you mean, it's the Friday meeting"..... You get the drift.

JReacher1

TELLIT01 wrote: »

Back in the 1970's John Cleese produced a training film called "Meetings bloody meetings" and it was absolutely brilliant. If you get a chance watch it as it shows all the reasons for NOT having meetings to where trivia takes over the meeting and loads of other meeting !!!!-ups.
The one immediate memory I have is of the 'Friday Meeting'. It went along the lines of "Why are we having the meeting?", "It's Friday", "Yes, but why are we having the meeting?", "It's the Friday meeting", "Yes, but WHY are we having the meeting?" "It's Friday and we always have the meeting on Friday", "Yes, but what is the meeting about?", "What do you mean, it's the Friday meeting"..... You get the drift.

Do not get a job in IT. These days it is all meetings, I have to attend about six daily stand ups every morning!

Lincoln_Imp

northwest1965 wrote: »

An update....a colleague went to the Union and the Union emailed the manager to say that it is not legal to do this.

The manager then emailed the person who went to the Union (no one else) and said that they did not need to attend outside of contracted hours

Wow what a crap Union ,So the Union actually told the manager who it was that went to him with the complaint
Also the Union should be saying hold on this applies to everyone and not just the one that complained

nicechap

Lincoln_Imp wrote: »

Wow what a crap Union ,So the Union actually told the manager who it was that went to him with the complaint
Also the Union should be saying hold on this applies to everyone and not just the one that complained

Where did it say the union told the manager who it was? If they did, do you know whether the union member was content or unhappy for union to write on their behalf?

My reading of it was that it is a good union, one that acted quickly on behalf of its member.

Of course the proof of the pudding will be whether everyone follows their advice or there are later consequences.

Lincoln_Imp

nicechap wrote: »

Where did it say the union told the manager who it was? If they did, do you know whether the union member was content or unhappy for union to write on their behalf?

My reading of it was that it is a good union, one that acted quickly on behalf of its member.

Of course the proof of the pudding will be whether everyone follows their advice or there are later consequences.

Alright so i assumed it was the Union man that told the manager ,Bet it was though

Their advice hasnt been given to everyone though only the one that complained which was one of my points

TELLIT01

JReacher1 wrote: »

Do not get a job in IT. These days it is all meetings, I have to attend about six daily stand ups every morning!

I worked in IT for over 30 years but thankfully managed to avoid that kind of thing. Shortly after I left my final IT job, I was responsible for running one of nine regional support teams, their manager decided he would have a tele conference twice a week at 7:30 am. Official working hours were 8 am to 6 pm and he insisted that the team managers be in the office of these meetings, although he freely admitted that he called in from home! As the team managers were also part of the rota working up to 6 pm on a weekly rotation that meant they had to be in the office 2 1/2 hours before their official start time on occasion. The bloke was a total control freak and regularly did things like that just because he could.

TELLIT01

nicechap wrote: »

Where did it say the union told the manager who it was?

"The manager then emailed the person who went to the Union (no one else) and said that they did not need to attend outside of contracted hours"


If the only person contacted by the manager was the person who went to the union, what other interpretation could be put on it?

getmore4less

JReacher1 wrote: »

Do not get a job in IT. These days it is all meetings, I have to attend about six daily stand ups every morning!

That's what Agile gets you, make it up as you go along, you need to have a meeting every day to go through what was messed up the day before because no one has a clue what they are doing.

TELLIT01

getmore4less wrote: »

That's what Agile gets you, make it up as you go along, you need to have a meeting every day to go through what was messed up the day before because no one has a clue what they are doing.

What a terribly cynical view you have. You can replace 'cynical' with 'accurate' if you wish. Like many systems, if used properly they will work well most of the time. Unfortunately Agile seems to be used more as a way of avoiding testing before going live than anything else.