Slander

sangie595

pmduk wrote: »

From the legal perspective though... How long has this employee been there?

This employee may not be able to claim unfair dismissal. I meant in the wider sense, this is a disaster waiting to happen, with employers who claim they aren't employers!

sangie595

Undervalued wrote: »

To an extent yes. However most committee run organisations take the approach that the committee appoints the most senior member of staff who, in turn, has authority to hire, discipline and fire the other employees.

Take a private school for example. Normally the governors appoint (and if necessary dismiss) the headmaster. All other staff are answerable to him.

I wasn't aware that all headteachers are male. But never mind... Yes, BUT the committee are the employer and the complainant is the manager! The manager cannot impartially investigate and hear a disciplinary when it is they who are complaining. If there is a complaint invoving a head teacher, the head teacher doesn't investigate it and deal with the disciplinary - the "committee" does. That's because they are the employer and legally responsible.

Undervalued

sangie595 wrote: »

I wasn't aware that all headteachers are male. But never mind... Yes, BUT the committee are the employer and the complainant is the manager! The manager cannot impartially investigate and hear a disciplinary when it is they who are complaining. If there is a complaint involving a head teacher, the head teacher doesn't investigate it and deal with the disciplinary - the "committee" does. That's because they are the employer and legally responsible.

No, of course not but in this instance, if I have read it correctly, the committee have quite rightly told to the OP to discipline his / her /their staff if they think it appropriate.

He / She / They told us.....

The committee say that it's up to me to discipline or sack him. They have said that they employ me but I employ the staff as bar manager and they just pay the wages

A committee of (presumably) volunteers cannot deal with individual staff issues further down the chain on a day to day basis. Yes, ultimately they have the legal responsibility but that is discharged via the chain of command.

I agree that if they receive a complaint about the most senior staff member they have to deal with it but that was not the point I was responding to.

Oh and I suppose if we are being pedantic I should have said governors and governesses :rotfl:

lincroft1710

Undervalued wrote: »

Oh and I suppose if we are being pedantic I should have said governors and governesses :rotfl:

School/university governors - one of the few occasions when the masculine term is commonly used for both genders.

Undervalued

lincroft1710 wrote: »

School/university governors - one of the few occasions when the masculine term is commonly used for both genders.

Yes, as you say it quite commonly is.

The problem is that many job titles took a gender for historic reasons. Sister (in nursing) is a good example where a male doing that role is seldom called "Sister" (nor is it generally changed to Brother)!!

Some gender neutral job titles sound horribly manufactured. They may sooth sensibilities but it is sometimes at the expense of murdering the English language!

A very self opinionated individual once came up to me with outstretched hand and said "Good evening, I'm the chair" to which the obvious reply was "Thank you, I will keep that in mind when I need to sit down"!

lincroft1710

As late as the 1970s in Scotland female clerks were known as "clerkesses" and job adverts would specify "wanted - clerkess".

Samsung_Note2

kylestucon wrote: »

I am mortified as half the club might think there is some truth in it.

Sorry to be blunt and to the point..but if half the club believe its true or might believe its true,then your obviously not very highly regarded.

Personally i couldn't careless what people think of me..i conduct myself in a manner i feel acceptable and if others disagree with that,well thats up too them.