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Why Britain's debt is on a dangerous trajectory
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Graham_Devon wrote: »According to only one study, from, funnily enough, a pro-immigration lobby organisation.
3 others show something completely different.
You are so full of it....
Most studies, including those from the UK Govt, University College London, Oxford University, NEISR, and a whole lot more show a net benefit.
The only one I can think of which laughably tried to show the opposite was funded by the anti-immigration pressure group Migrationwatch, and even then they had to make some truly risible assumptions to get it to say what they wanted.:rotfl:“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
If a few million east europeans migrate to uk on minimum wage, pay virtually no tax, receive child benefit, housing benefit and enjoy free use of our public services, how does that help support pensioners?
Well, my Italian friends in London have two decent jobs, he in computing, and I'm sure they don't transfer money home; I expect they're circulating their earnings by living costs here:the majority to their landlord.
Incidentally, he's made some acerbic comments about productivity here and how he's under-utilised.0 -
silverwhistle wrote: »Well, my Italian friends in London have two decent jobs, he in computing, and I'm sure they don't transfer money home; I expect they're circulating their earnings by living costs here:the majority to their landlord.
Hardly the description of an economic migrant. Around here we must have 600 - 700 employed in car washes / pop up nail bars and "other activities".0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »You are so full of it....
Indeed.
Fullfact must be full of it too then
https://fullfact.org/immigration/how-immigrants-affect-public-finances/0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »Indeed.
Fullfact must be full of it too then
https://fullfact.org/immigration/how-immigrants-affect-public-finances/
Presumably we are talking about the new wave of immigrants from the EU as other forms of immigration are at the discretion of the UK govt? From your full facts article.Researchers generally agree that immigrants from the European Economic Area (EEA) and recent immigrants are, as groups, more likely to have a positive net fiscal impact / less likely to have a negative net fiscal impact but estimates suggest that there are also considerable country-by-country differences.'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Latest government data now out....
https://t.co/1UDPCxrZtv"In 2015-16, EEA nationals paid £15.5 billion more Income Tax and National Insurance than they took out in tax credits and Child Benefit. This is £1.9 billion higher than in 2014-15."“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
As Income Tax and National Insurance forms the bulk of an individual's tax contribution (VAT being the only major missing component), but tax credits and child benefits are a tiny sliver of the cost of an individual to the State, that's a highly selective statistic to say the least. What about education, healthcare, housing benefit, universal credit/Jobseeker's, etc etc...
...wait, silly me, I forgot that Europeans are so superior to us that they never get sick or injured and their children spring into the world already educated to degree level, so all those costs are nil.0 -
Malthusian wrote: »What about education,
In the case of adult immigrants (the vast majority) that was already paid for by another country.healthcare,
In the case of adult immigrants (the vast majority) a third of their lifetime healthcare costs were already paid for by another country.housing benefit/
Show me the stats... Pretty sure it will be minimal.
And then of course you still have to add in the very large contribution from VAT receipts paid by EU nationals.universal credit/Jobseeker's
EU migrants are far less likely than the native born to be on those benefits, which is one of many reasons they're net contributors, unlike the native born....wait, silly me, .
Indeed.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
So much so that they can't find a job in that country of origin. I know of a Romanian with a degree in Forensics who was a care worker and another one with a Forestry degree working as a driver. Both working on next to minimum wage in UK. Nice people but I think the economic argument does wear thin.HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »In the case of adult immigrants (the vast majority) that [ their education ] was already paid for by another country.0 -
So much so that they can't find a job in that country of origin. I know of a Romanian with a degree in Forensics who was a care worker and another one with a Forestry degree working as a driver.
Excellent news then for us.
As we're getting highly intelligent, skilled and motivated additions to our labour force.
:beer:“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0
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