Is a roadbike worth it without clips

Nasqueron

House_Martin wrote: »

I m completely baffled by you saying my feet leave the pedals ( because its basic physics ) whenever I go over bumps..How come mine don t ? I always place the feet in basically the same spot too and it does nt matter if a foot is a millimetre or two different anyway.
I ride around on rock hard 23mm narrow tyres with virtually no cushioning effect at all. I have never noticed my shoes ever losing contact with the pedals, and some parts of my regular 20 mile route are extremely bumpy. They always stay in close contact..always . I can t vouch for a foot deep pothole but I tend to always steer clear of deep holes like we all do
Maybe you should dig a little deeper into Dr Jeff Brokers thorough scientific research debunking the upstroke theory completely adding that not only is it inefficient it will eventually lead to injury. He took over 10 years on his research and is not linked to selling clipless pedals and shoes unlike the Youtube vid I saw where a couple of poseurs on their bikes with garish tight nylon clothing ( and sunglasses on cloudy days of course lol ) trying to sell the idea, with links to sales of very expensive pedals and matching shoes. .That stupid link you added proves my point..more links to sales of expensive clipless pedals and matching shoes . Just sales talk and snake oil

Brilliant, still ignoring the facts
Still ignoring the benefits OTHER than pull up effect

It's exactly the same as the last thread, several points raised about benefits and you can't argue against any of them so you keep banging on about this world expert (as declared by you) who must be the only person doing research into pedals because he makes one point you like.

Read the link you provided, the author literally states that he quoted Jeff Brokers because his research supports what the author thinks. No mention of any of the other research papers that contradict him. No mention of any of the other benefits such as stability, the way you feel "connected" to the bike, the way it helps avoid injury by having a fixed position (particularly after a bike fit). When you move around on the bike after stopping and putting your feet down you don't put it back in the same place on flats meaning different ride positions

As for flat pedals, you can argue against physics all you like, you can deny facts all you like but you're still wrong. Go over a bump while sat on the saddle - note how your body shifts up and down - that is momentum carrying you up and gravity bringing you down, it is undeniable science and yet you continue to believe your feet are magically stuck to pedals in defiance of the laws of thermodynamics - brilliant!

Nasqueron

House_Martin wrote: »

Absolutely hilarious, i saw one myself last week. I had to applaud him looking like a prize idiot crashing to the ground after failing to twist his foot out of the pedal . Utterly stupid to be clipped in on a commuter bike. They can wear their helmets and hi-viz but there is no protection for the collarbone which takes the brunt with a battle with concrete and easily breaks.Topple the wrong way into traffic and it could be a few months off work or ending up in a wheelchair.
Absolutely pointless using clipless in towns on commuting but I see it all the time
I wonder what the statistics for cyclists with broken collarbone are caused by these unsuitable pedals and shoes.
I could see another bike wobbling away trying not to stop on that youtube vid link, and not far off losing the battle with gravity
There should be a health and safety warning with clipless pedals issued by the makers for people commuting by cycle...don`t be fooled, don`t buy them , they re useless and dangerous.
The ski ing company Look invented these cleats for skiing. They must be laughing their heads off finding so many gullible new customers to use this product on dangerous public roads

Clipless pedals were invented for bikes in 1895

https://www.wheelies.co.uk/buying-guide/shoes-spd-explained

Not even going to comment on the rest of that guff, you can fall over with flat pedals, you can be hit or squashed, you can push off and not position carefully on your flat and go over. You could be run over by a drunk driver tomorrow whatever pedals you use. Give it up, clipless offer numerous benefits, they're used by millions of cyclists with no issues

somersethillbilly

I ride a retro bike with old school toe clips and straps and find the "connected to the bike" feel to be the greatest benefit. The straps are not so tight that my feet are tied to the pedals and foot extraction is not an issue.

parking_question_chap

kinger101 wrote: »

What tyres do you have on the hybrid? If the answer isn't slicks, there's an easy improvement for very little cost.

Yes I have slicks.

BeckyAP

Mids_Costcutter wrote: »

What about trying dual pedals: SPD clipless on one side, flat on the other? Then you compare and contrast without having to change pedals and still have something you can wear with ordinary shoes when just popping down the shops

I went one better with my pedals - you can ride them in flat shoes either side but also SPD on either side too!
Don't ask me the mechanics of it mind but it's so useful! Means my hybrid/road bike is my oneall bike

custardy

House_Martin wrote: »

Absolutely hilarious, i saw one myself last week. I had to applaud him looking like a prize idiot crashing to the ground after failing to twist his foot out of the pedal . Utterly stupid to be clipped in on a commuter bike. They can wear their helmets and hi-viz but there is no protection for the collarbone which takes the brunt with a battle with concrete and easily breaks.Topple the wrong way into traffic and it could be a few months off work or ending up in a wheelchair.
Absolutely pointless using clipless in towns on commuting but I see it all the time
I wonder what the statistics for cyclists with broken collarbone are caused by these unsuitable pedals and shoes.
I could see another bike wobbling away trying not to stop on that youtube vid link, and not far off losing the battle with gravity
There should be a health and safety warning with clipless pedals issued by the makers for people commuting by cycle...don`t be fooled, don`t buy them , they re useless and dangerous.
The ski ing company Look invented these cleats for skiing. They must be laughing their heads off finding so many gullible new customers to use this product on dangerous public roads

does one clipped in fall in 20+ years confirm your weird view?

TiredTrophy

I tried various cleats, but due to an ankle injury in the past, I am unable to do the correct twisting action.
I now use toe clips and manage passes in the Alps, gravel and tarmac okay on my admittedly expensive custom hybrid.

Cleats look neat, and the toes of your shoes will not scuff nor your shoe covers tear. The other members of my family love them.

Plastic toe clips do not weigh very much....get your road bike and have fun.