UK CPM Parking 'fine'

Bobb12345

Hi All,

I have had a look through the newbie parking Tickets, Fines and Parking, but can't find exactly what it is I need.

I live in a block of flats that were advertised for rent as including a parking space, and up until now I have never had an issue. I have never been informed by either letting agent, landlord or property management company that I would need to display a parking permit in the windscreen of my car, so I have never had one, assuming that it was included as part of the rent.

However, this morning, my company (as I have a company car) forwarded on a letter to me, from the car park management company UK-CPM. This was from the 04.04.2018 and I received the email from my company today 09.05.2018.

I now understand that I am meant to have a parking permit for the parking space (because of the fine) and of course I would have paid for one, had I known I had needed one previously.

What advise would you give with regards to liability for the fine? Would the letting agent be responsible for advertising the property as having an allocated parking space?

I really appreciate any help any of you can provide with this.

Half_way

It's not a fine, and why do you need a permit if its your space?

Bobb12345

Hi Half_way,
I totally agree. I don't need a parking permit (at least I shouldn't do). What should the next steps be? Just ignore any further notices? The only issue is they come via my company (as it's a company car) and it may cause issues with them.
Any advice appreciated.

Le_Kirk

If you refer to the Newbie section, one click back, second post down, post #1 you will find the following: -

In the case of a company car or hire car, if you get a windscreen ticket you MUST appeal before day 28 (well before day 21 when it's an IPC firm which only 'offers' 21 days to appeal - check the PCN). This is in order to hook the PPC in your direction, before they get a chance to get the keeper's details from the DVLA.

You should also warn the owner/keeper (Fleet Manager) not to pay if they do get a letter about it because they have no business to get involved in a fake PCN you have already appealed as driver, and you won't reimburse them if they are daft enough to pay it.

Bobb12345

Hi Le-Kirk,

I read that, but I haven't received a windscreen ticket. It has been sent directly to the company and they are in the process of sending it to me, and as such the appeal process is different right? The company won't pay, they'll forward it onto me.

Redx

then the company is wrong

they should name the hirer/lessee to the PPC so they are not liable under POFA2012

this has been the case for 5.5 years , so its time they understood their duty under the law

if you do get this notice, then you appeal it as hirer/lessee/keeper (not as driver) following the edna basher advice in that thread (if its a hire/lease vehicle of course)

Bobb12345

Hi Redx
The letter was sent to the company as a To Whom it May Concern and doesn't name me as the authorised driver. Once I receive it I will appeal it following the edna basher advice in the thread, as it's a hire/lease/company vehicle.
It's so massively complex to appeal these tickets. I have received no communication from either landlord/ letting agent/ owner of the flat that you require a parking permit to park outside the property you reside in. At present I have thrown it back to the letting agent to investigate this. Ultimately, I hold the landlord responsible for not letting tenants know about this illegitimate parking company. It's ridiculous.

Redx

we agree , you are definitely NOT the first to come across this sc@m

the company cannot name you as "authorised driver", only as KEEPER or lessee or hirer - they have no idea who was driving the vehicle at the time, and you dont tell anyone who it may have been

there are thousands of "authorised drivers" in england and wales , myself included (or authorised insured drivers if you will)

could have been a mechanic whilst being serviced , or a police person moving it after an incident on the road

you are the authorised KEEPER of the vehicle on behalf of the company

what you have to realise is the number of legal entities involved in this, so never blab about who the driver may have been , its not helpful

these are some of the entities

OWNER
REGISTERED KEEPER
KEEPER
HIRER
LESSEE
DRIVER

nobody should blab about being the last one capiche ?

Ralph-y

OK you will need to tell us what your lease actually says about this

in the mean time .... to let you know all about these scammers (Hansard) .....


https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-02-02/debates/CC84AF5E-AC6E-4E14-81B1-066E6A892807/Parking(CodeOfPractice)Bill

''Rip-offs from car park Cowboys must stop''; unfair treatment; signage deliberately confusing to ensure a PCN is issued; ''years of abuse by rogue parking companies''; bloodsuckers; ''the current system of regulation is hopeless, like putting Dracula in charge of the blood-bank''; extortionate fines; rogue operators; ''sense of injustice''; unfair charges and notices; wilfully misleading; signage is a deliberate act to deceive or mislead; ''confusing signs are often deliberate, to trap innocent drivers''; unreasonable; a curse; harassing; operating in a disgusting way; appeals service is no guarantee of a fair hearing; loathed; outrageous scam; dodgy practice; outrageous abuse; unscrupulous practices; ''the British Parking Association is as much use as a multi-storey car park in the Gobi desert''; and finally, by way of unanimous conclusion: ''we need to crack down on these rogue companies. They are an absolute disgrace to this country. Ordinary motorists and ordinary residents should not have to put up with this''.

These are the exact words used, so you should quote them to your MP in a complaint and ask him/her to contact Sir Greg Knight MP if he wants further information about this scam.



Ralph:cool:

Bobb12345

Hi Redx,
These so called parking companies are effectively a scam. How can a landlord introduce this and not inform anyone? Surely that's illegal! I have faith that the company will not name me as a driver, and under no circumstances would I ever admit to being the driver.
I guess I now have to wait for the documentation from the PPC. What happens then? To be honest, it still isn't clear to me as to what I need to do.
Many thanks for the advice so far.

Bobb12345

Hi Ralph-y,
The lease states 'To park private vehicle only at the premises
To park in the space allocated at the premises, if the Tenant is allocated a car parking space.'
The parking space for the flat is marked as the space to park in the car park and I have never ever parked outside of this.
I shall also be writing to my MP about this behaviour by the PPC in question. I genuinely thought it was a joke when I looked at the fine and saw it was where I lived. At the moment the letting agent and landlord are having to deal with this. I refuse to pay it, but understand I may need to get involved in a discussion with the PPC if necessary.