legal requirement for employers to pay extra for antisocial hours to NMW employees

moneyistooshorttomention

This is possibly/probably going to sound naive (blame the fact I never did/would have always refused to do) antisocial hours prior to retirement.

But I can't find anywhere online that shows what premium employers have to legally pay people on NMW for doing antisocial hours (eg nightshift work) and I have a distinct suspicion employers don't have to legally pay extra for antisocial hours and can get away with paying just NMW - even if the hours worked are middle of the night.

Mind boggling at that thought - and wondering if that is indeed the case (ie that they wouldn't be breaking any laws or anything to do so)??

Is that really the case??

elsien

They don't have to pay any extra. Nor for bank holidays or weekend working either.

PasturesNew

They don't have to - in fact, many stopped.

I remember specifically that a national supermarket where I used to live used to pay double time on Sundays .... for what was known (back in the day) as "Sunday Staff" ... then contracts were written so everybody was "flexible staff" and all overtime extras were stopped and there was one flat rate.

Back then people used to work specific days, most often, with optional overtime - then it all changed to "flexible" meaning they could muck everybody about on a whim 7 days a week

BorisThomson

The idea of antisocial hours is pretty outdated, many people actively choose to work nights and weekends.

I'd actually take a pay cut to work nights again, but my old job no longer exists. A friend chooses to work nights as it means no childcare costs, the same with another who works Sunday only. We're no longer a nine to five society.

moneyistooshorttomention

If it suits a particular person - then that's obviously their personal choice and = fine, if that's what they actually choose to do personally (ie not forced into it by employer/s).

Though, obviously, I still think that (even if it's being done by choice) antisocial hours merit extra money being paid.

stator

There's no law but it's a self-adjusting situation.
If you can get paid NMW for doing day work only, night shifts will be hard to fill, unless you offer more money.
Most people don't care about Sundays and will usually work for little extra, so they don't offer much extra.
But I think MOST people still don't want to work night shifts.

TyreLever

BorisThomson wrote: »

The idea of antisocial hours is pretty outdated, many people actively choose to work nights and weekends.

I'd actually take a pay cut to work nights again, but my old job no longer exists. A friend chooses to work nights as it means no childcare costs, the same with another who works Sunday only. We're no longer a nine to five society.

That 9-5 mon to friday stuff is a real nuisance and is still the case in some places. Try getting your car repaired, or seeing a doctor on a sunday evening. I currently work nights and weekends so its not an issue for me. I do however get paid extra for nightshifts, altho before this job, some other employer offered me work on nights for the bare minimum wage. I told them strait I would only do that for reasonable shift allowance. The fact is too many people are willing to work for peanuts, which then has a knock on effect of lowering wages for everyone else.

RichardD1970

My last job had no premium for nights, in fact it was 4 on 4 off 12 hr days and nights, so weekends, bank holidays and all.

They said it was built into the hourly rate already.

My current job is very different, with nights earning a premium of 33%, Weekend overtime is, Saturday time and a half and Sunday double time.

There is also weekend shifts, Fri, Sat and Sun night but I'm not sure what premium that attracts although I assume it's more again.

Takeaway_Addict

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

If it suits a particular person - then that's obviously their personal choice and = fine, if that's what they actually choose to do personally (ie not forced into it by employer/s).

Though, obviously, I still think that (even if it's being done by choice) antisocial hours merit extra money being paid.

Then become an employer and pay people to do so...you'll be very much appreciated!

Smodlet

I remember my mother receiving "out of hours" pay for working nights as a nurse... Back in the mists of time. Unfortunately, moneyetc. it is the 21st century, the age of zero hours contracts and the last time unions had any power was in the halcyon pre-Thatcher days. Hello!

glentoran99

BorisThomson wrote: »

The idea of antisocial hours is pretty outdated, many people actively choose to work nights and weekends.

I'd actually take a pay cut to work nights again, but my old job no longer exists. A friend chooses to work nights as it means no childcare costs, the same with another who works Sunday only. We're no longer a nine to five society.

Where do children go for daytime when sleeping after nightshift?