Company takeover - personal details

DCFC79

Xbigman wrote: »

Why is this thread concentrating on right to work documents? The OP was asked for their passport number only, not for right to work documents. There is another question asking for their NHS number, not any proof of anything. Those two questions, as asked, seem useless.

The Two questions I would have the biggest issues with are the last doctors visit (in my case nothing to do with my ability to work) and the drinking question (none of works business as long as I don't turn up drunk).



Darren

Its because someoone mentioned a passport is required for right to work and another poster latched on to that, a shame really.

Savvy_Sue

I think there's general agreement that asking for the passport no. MIGHT be related to Right to Work details, although if the new company is doing this properly then they need to see the actual passport (or alternative documentation).

We moved onto the documentation when someone said "what if you don't have a passport?"

MEM62

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

I don't think that's enough: the list I linked to says that if it's a birth certificate, there has to be another government document giving a permanent NINo. I don't recall my NINo being on my driving licence - and why would it be, since you don't have to be entitled to work her to apply for a driving licence?

A driving licence doesn't appear anywhere on that list ...

If audited, the UKBA accept less providing you have followed due diligence. For example, we employ a number of casual workers who arrive in the UK on YMS visas and therefore have no NI number at the point of employment. Additionally I have permanent workers that are here under IDR and their visa may not be in their current passport and we therefore have to rely on an 'expired' document for verification.

The requirement for a document with an NI number is interesting as I am obligated to ensure that they are legally resident and permitted to work but, as far as I am aware, there is no obligation on me to ensure that they have an NI number - or indeed for the employee to have one at the point at which I engage them.

As with many things, the rules are fine until you come to the cases where you cannot follow them absolutely.

another_casualty

Back in the 90s I was working for a large advertising company that got taken over. All that happened there, was a new contract was eventually given to all staff . I signed it and returned it to personnel
Apparently some staff refused to sign but their terms and conditions were the same anyway .I imagine things have changed a lot since then .

crackerberry

In the event of not having a passport, you can instead provide a copy of your birth certificate but, as photo ID is also required, they then require a photo driving licence (if no driving licence, the civil service (job application wise) will accept a recent passport type photo signed on the back by someone who can vouch that its you in the photo)
Evidence of NI number can be provided via a P60 or P45, any letter from HMRC or letter from any other government department which would show it (not applicable here but for example from Job Seekers Plus/ESA)

Edited to add that, job hunting at the moment, I've been asked for these from every recruitment agency and prior to a civil service job interview too.

usefulmale

crackerberry wrote: »

In the event of not having a passport, you can instead provide a copy of your birth certificate but, as photo ID is also required, they then require a photo driving licence (if no driving licence, the civil service (job application wise) will accept a recent passport type photo signed on the back by someone who can vouch that its you in the photo)
Evidence of NI number can be provided via a P60 or P45, any letter from HMRC or letter from any other government department which would show it (not applicable here but for example from Job Seekers Plus/ESA)

Edited to add that, job hunting at the moment, I've been asked for these from every recruitment agency and prior to a civil service job interview too.

There is no requirement for photoID.

Your birth certificate and a goverment letter showing your NI No is perfectly adequate.

crackerberry

usefulmale wrote: »

There is no requirement for photoID.

Your birth certificate and a goverment letter showing your NI No is perfectly adequate.

Tell that to the Government then, as they don't seem to be aware.

kingfisherblue

DCFC79 wrote: »

Its because someoone mentioned a passport is required for right to work and another poster latched on to that, a shame really.

It was me who 'latched on' - I was sure that a passport is not required to prove a right to work in this country, although I know that proof is required. Because another poster stated that it was a requirement, I queried it. I didn't expect so many replies, nor did I expect the thread to be derailed in any way.:money::money:

However, it also begs the question - if the new employer requires the employee's passport details, why are they needed, and what if an employee does not possess a passport? Some of the questions asked by the OP's employer do seem somewhat bizaare.

usefulmale

crackerberry wrote: »

Tell that to the Government then, as they don't seem to be aware.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/441957/employers_guide_to_acceptable_right_to_work_documents_v5.pdf

The link above is from the government.

Point out where it says photo ID is a requirement.

crackerberry

usefulmale wrote: »

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/441957/employers_guide_to_acceptable_right_to_work_documents_v5.pdf

The link above is from the government.

Point out where it says photo ID is a requirement.

Wen you apply for a job in the civil service they require photo ID, either in the form of a valid passport or if no passport then a birth certificate with a photo driving licence. If no driving licence either then you hve to provide a passport sized recent photo which has to be signed on the back by someone who knows you.
If you can't provide these prior to interview you don't get interviewed.


[FONT=&quot]Verification of Identity[/FONT]

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This document needs to be used in conjunction with the Civil Service Resourcing – Flowchart of identity verification route in order to ascertain the section applicable to you.

[/FONT]
SECTION A
To allow CS Resourcing to conduct pre-employment checks you must produce the following documentation at your interview;

1 x document from Group 1
1 x document from Group 2 – documents marked with an * must be dated within the last 3 months. Selected document must contain current address.
1 x additional document from Group 1, 2 or 3 – Full and short birth certificates are not permitted to be used in conjunction.

Candidates applying for a Home Office post must produce a valid current passport.


Photographic ID
If you are unable to provide one piece of photographic ID from the groups below then you will need to provide a passport sized photograph of yourself. This will need to be endorsed on the back with the signature of a person of some standing in your community (e.g. a JP, medical practitioner, officer of the armed forces, teacher, lecturer, lawyer, bank manager, civil servant, etc).

The passport photograph will need to be accompanied by a signed statement, completed by the same person, stating the period of time that the individual has known you (this must be a minimum 3 years). The statement must also contain the name, address and contact number of the individual who has endorsed the photo and completed the statement.
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Only original documents will be accepted, photocopies will not be accepted.

[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]GROUP 1[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]GROUP 2[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]GROUP 3[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](A) Current British Passport[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](D) * Bank, building society or credit card statement.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]UK, Channel Islands or EEA only.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](J) Current photo card driving licence.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Full or provisional.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]UK, Isle of Man, Channel Islands and EU only.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](B) Full UK Birth or Adoption Certificate[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
The certificate must include the name(s) of at least one of your parents or adoptive parents.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](E) * Original utility bill
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Gas, Water, Electric, Insurance or Internet issued within the last 3 months. UK only.
Mobile phone bills are not acceptable.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](K) Current driving licence (old paper version).
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]UK, Isle of Man, Channel Islands and EU only.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](C) Certificates of Registration or Naturalisation as a British Citizen[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](F) Original letter confirming National Insurance Number issued by Government Department
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]P45, P60 (must be dated within the last 12 months)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]UK only.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](L) Marriage certificate
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]UK and Channel Islands only.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](G) * Current evidence of entitlement to DWP benefits (e.g. Universal Credit)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]UK only.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](M) Civil Partnership certificate[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]UK and Channel Islands only.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](H) * Council Tax statement [/FONT][FONT=&quot]UK only.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](N) HM Forces identity card[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]UK only.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](I) Mortgage Statement
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]UK or EEA only[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](O) Short UK Birth Certificate[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]