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What is Debt free?

I know its a strange question but so many people have different opinions on what they consider being "debt free"

I currently have three Credit Cards, total balance £1.8K
Wife has an old loan (currently with Cabot) balance £3K
Wife has Credit card and store card balance £1K

Once the old loan is paid off I would count this as being debt free, that is until we get a mortgage and a house. But a mortgage would seemingly be classed as "acceptable debt"

The Credit cards and store card are under control, under there limits and being paid off....

Your thoughts on what is "Debt free" is appreciated.
Proud to have dealt with our debts
Starting debt 2005 £65.7K.
Current debt ZERO.
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  • theoretica
    theoretica Posts: 12,691 Forumite
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    For me, debt free is no debt at all. If credit cards are paid off in full every month I count that as debt free.

    Debt neutral is having debt but also having more than that sum in savings, for whatever reason.

    Controlled debt is what I would call your situation with the credit cards. You owe money, but it is not a problem for you.
    But a banker, engaged at enormous expense,
    Had the whole of their cash in his care.
    Lewis Carroll
  • For us being debt free is having paid off all our "consumer" debt which by our definition excludes our mortgage. Once we have paid off our debts (bank of mum & dad, credit card, overdraft and a loan), then we will be debt free. I will celebrate once we have paid off the first 3 debts as the loan will just have to run its course as we want to concentrate on other things like mortgage overpayments - well we can dream!
    "Everything comes to him who hustles while he waits" Thomas Edison
    Following the Martin mantra "Earn more, have less debt, improve credit worthiness" :money:
  • binaryuniverse
    binaryuniverse Posts: 912 Forumite
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    edited 27 December 2017 at 8:44PM
    There's a sliding scale of debt, which probably goes a little something like this.

    No debt:
    Debt free. You owe nobody a thing. Hooray! Hopefully you are saving too. Otherwise stoozing (Good debt) may be a good way to go to build up a pot.

    Good debt:
    Debt is at 0%. If you need to pay it off tomorrow, with savings, you could and it won't be an issue. This debt is possibly even making you money, rather than the other way about.

    Bad debt:
    You have debt. If the proverbials hit the fan, and you need to pay it off tomorrow, you couldn't. Also includes debt that you are paying interesting on, or costs money in other ways. You're one step away from IVA/Defaults.

    Overwhelming debt:
    Huge problem. You have so much debt you can't afford the repayments. The interest is more than the debt you can pay off. IVA/Bankruptcy quite likely. Possible repossession of home.
  • Debt free means that you are not paying ANY interest. Many people who are buying their own homes will need to pay interest on their mortgages but apart from home / car loans, if you’re paying interest, then you are not debt free. The exceptions are those who are VERY good at stoozing and earn more by moving their money around than they pay in interest, but seriously, they are few and far between.
  • worried_jim
    worried_jim Posts: 11,631 Forumite
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    I would exclude mortgage, but with less than ten years to go I can finally see a time when I am absolutely with no further caveats or kidding myself debt free. Until then, clear the credit card every month.
  • sourcrates
    sourcrates Posts: 31,828 Ambassador
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    Completely Debt free, no debt now whatsoever, no loans, no cards, no mortgage no nothing.

    I Live within my means, if I want something, I save up, after two insolvencies, and over 30 years been in debt of some sort, me and credit are done, forever.

    Never playing that game again.
    I’m a Forum Ambassador and I support the Forum Team on the Debt free wannabe, Credit file and ratings, and Bankruptcy and living with it boards. If you need any help on these boards, do let me know. Please note that Ambassadors are not moderators. Any posts you spot in breach of the Forum Rules should be reported via the report button, or by emailing forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com. All views are my own and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.For free non-judgemental debt advice, contact either Stepchange, National Debtline, or CitizensAdviceBureaux.Link to SOA Calculator- https://www.stoozing.com/soa.php The "provit letter" is here-https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/2607247/letter-when-you-know-nothing-about-about-the-debt-aka-prove-it-letter
  • datlex
    datlex Posts: 2,252 Forumite
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    peteuk wrote: »
    I know its a strange question but so many people have different opinions on what they consider being "debt free"

    I currently have three Credit Cards, total balance £1.8K
    Wife has an old loan (currently with Cabot) balance £3K
    Wife has Credit card and store card balance £1K

    Once the old loan is paid off I would count this as being debt free, that is until we get a mortgage and a house. But a mortgage would seemingly be classed as "acceptable debt"

    The Credit cards and store card are under control, under there limits and being paid off....

    Your thoughts on what is "Debt free" is appreciated.

    I wouldn't regard just the loan being paid off a being debt free. In my opinion, to be debt free you need to have paid off the credit cards too.

    Credit cards can be a means of payment. You seem to have used them as a source of funds. If they are a source of funds then you still have debt, even if you don't have a balance currently. (e.g. You aren't saving for emergencies or you are planning on putting next years holiday on a credit card).

    Quite simply for me, debt is spending more than you earn.
    Paid off the last of my unsecured debts in 2016. Then saved up and bought a property. Current aim is to pay off my mortgage as early as possible. Currently over paying every month. Mortgage due to be paid off in 2036 hoping to get it paid off much earlier. Set up my own bespoke spreadsheet to manage my money.
  • tori.k
    tori.k Posts: 3,592 Forumite
    We currently have no consumer debt, credit card is paid off in full each month but I class myself as a debt free wannabe until the mortgage we are planning is gone, after all it's just another loan gathering interest.Its no different to me than anything you don't own until the last payment has been made.
    Debt free to me is having that freedom of choice, do I want to work full time, part time or at all, while there is debt in play that's someone else's choice.
  • redpete
    redpete Posts: 4,738 Forumite
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    If you are not paying the credit cards off in full each and every month why would you consider them any different to any other loan?
    loose does not rhyme with choose but lose does and is the word you meant to write.
  • Debt is money you owe to another party.

    this includes credit on credit card (you owe them money),

    mortgage (you owe them money),

    0% cards (you owe them money)

    etc

    It really is that simple.
    Debt is a symptom, solve the problem.
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