What if you couldn't go to Uni till you were 19?

GreatApe

Andy_L wrote: »

Are there many self-employed barbers who make a profit of £40k pa?

Like with most retail-service jobs it depends mostly on location

A 9am - 6pm shift can see a barber cut 25 heads. Typical price might be an average £13 and they might get to keep 70% of that the other 30% going towards renting the chair/booth

So in a good location with a good system in place and if they are willing to do 6 days a week 50 weeks a year they can earn £70,000

Of course most barber shops are not in prime positions and some of them cater to the lower end so they might only be doing 15 cuts a day at £10 a head in which case they will earn closer to the £30k mark but they would be working 35-40% more hours in a month than a typical full time worker so its not fully comparable.

kinger101

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

£15 for a 15 minute cut = £60 an hour
8 hours x £60 = £480 for a full day
Say average utilisation is 50% = £240 a day on average
x6 days a week x46 weeks = £66k a year gross

Yes I think good barbers can make £40k net

Turnover isn't salary. Although a hairdresser has fairly minimal tools, they'll typically either rent the shop, or at least the chair.

My hairdresser charges about £30 for a men's cut, which takes about 45 mins. I'm guessing ladies take longer. A "barber" in colloquial terms is used to describe one of the lower-end guys, who'll charge well under £10 for a quick 10 min job. I doubt "barbers" make much more than minimum wage.

westernpromise

kinger101 wrote: »

Turnover isn't salary. Although a hairdresser has fairly minimal tools, they'll typically either rent the shop, or at least the chair.

My hairdresser charges about £30 for a men's cut, which takes about 45 mins. I'm guessing ladies take longer. A "barber" in colloquial terms is used to describe one of the lower-end guys, who'll charge well under £10 for a quick 10 min job. I doubt "barbers" make much more than minimum wage.

They should broaden their service offering to attending to customers' other patches of hair in the same sitting. It's a very big priority among the young people, I gather, in addition to growing stupid beards, wearing nylon sportswear and being fat.

Malthusian

kinger101 wrote: »

Turnover isn't salary. Although a hairdresser has fairly minimal tools, they'll typically either rent the shop, or at least the chair.

My hairdresser charges about £30 for a men's cut, which takes about 45 mins.

45 minutes? How many dreadlocks have you got?

tara747

Malthusian wrote: »

For those who know what they want to do and want to study a useful degree that adds value, you are essentially condemning them to a year of wasted life.

I never wanted to do a gap year, but I did go "travelling" in the long summer between the end of school and university. I came home after a week because I was bored and lonely.

Perhaps if I'd been banned from going to uni I'd've signed up to build schools in Sierra Leone or something, but it's more likely I'd've just worked in Argos for a year while living at home. A year of learning nothing and gaining no useful experience - a year working a minimum wage school-leaver's job isn't going to give me any experience of any relevance to the job I'll eventually get after leaving uni. (I'd already had summer jobs so I'd already learned basic working skills.)

We don't get enough years on this planet to force teenagers to waste one of the most important.

If this law had been in place when I was 18 I would probably have gone to university abroad.

lisyloo wrote: »

The downside is for those that are sure what they want to do you are imposing an unnecessary 12 month wait.
I don't know how many are sure and how many are unsure so couldn't say whether it was justified but if I was sure then I'd consider going abroad, so that could initiate a bit of a brain drain if the UK loses the best talent.

Same! I couldn't wait to get to university, and I would have hated an enforced gap year.

tara747

I absolutely agree with those who say that too many people go to university now, though. There simply aren't enough graduate-level jobs for them all.

teddysmum

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

For example, a number of universities do not allow a gap year for maths and physics students, because their ability deteriorates too quickly when out of practice.

That's nonsense.


Because I messed up my A levels and didn't go to university, as expected by my headmistress, I spent two years working as what would now be called a teaching assistant, though I was allowed to teach (because ,long story, obstacles were put in my way because I refused to go to university).


After the two years I did a college of education course in maths and biological sciences, not doing a degree course as a good teaching job cropped up.


I taught for 12 years (not A level)then did an Open University maths degree course for which I got first class honours.


My best friend didn't get high enough A level results (she had 2 As and a B in biology, chemistry and physics) to go to medical college,so had a two year break working as a ward orderly, then went to Cardiff medical school and eventually became a consultant in child health.


We both achieved what we wanted to and the break let us observe the job in a casual way. Another friend who went straight to college of education, just dropped out after her first teaching practice.

westernpromise

teddysmum wrote: »

That's nonsense..

It's not nonsense.

I'm thinking of taking a Gap Year - how would this be viewed?
...
Subject tutors will normally expect candidates taking a gap year to have planned to use the year constructively (e.g. working in a field related to their subject interest, teaching/travelling overseas, taking part in organised expeditions, voluntary work etc). Some science subjects in particular would be looking for evidence that the gap year has some strong scientific or mathematical content.

For many, a gap year proves to be interesting and useful and students can do better at university for having had this break. For others, such a break can be disadvantageous because their academic work and study skills suffer...

Candidates for Law with Law Studies in Europe (course 2) should note that because entry is so competitive, there are usually only two places available for deferred entry for the whole University (one for France, one for Germany).....

History of Art and Fine Art do not accept deferred entry applicants.

http://www.worc.ox.ac.uk/applying/undergraduates/frequently-asked-admissions-questions