Elite 11+ shopping and chat thread part 2½

Savvybuyer

silvercar wrote: »

1 ltr bottle of malibu is reduced to £14 in T, from £21.

Also £14 in M, where it has been that price last week. Sorry to mention that it should probably have been bought on the APG last weekend:(.

"Even lower prices" A is now currently more expensive £15 rollback for most people, although people with staff discount cards at A can get it for £13.50 and beat the price of T and M, but not beat the price of T for T staff discount holders or the price in M for M's staff. Just to provide complete information so as to be fully informed:rotfl:. I ought to mention Sains. - £15 there. Is there a staff discount for S? Could be cheaper in S for S staff, if so, if there is. In short, seems to be, if you work for one of these major supermarkets, buy at your supermarket; if you don't, then buy in M (not Northern Ireland) or T. Maybe T technically slightly better if CC points worth more than More points. In M you get - I never showed such information on my list when that was operational - 7p in more points, in T it is 15p CC points which can be trebled. I think. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Savvybuyer

Anon wrote: »

Their sales will slump :eek:. Their sales over the last 8 years shot up in A but now, no more . Their marketing/sales team will be wondering why ... was it the new packaging? Change in recipe?



Anon

:rotfl::rotfl:

I would not want to be banking on Haribo shares right now:rotfl:.

Note: I do not give investment advice.

Savvybuyer

davemorton wrote: »

Greenalls gin is only $#15 a litre in sainsbobs at the moment

Looks like it was £15 also on 3rd October, that taken from Google cache taken during the daytime:(. Welcome to "even lower prices in A" where it has potentially gone from £13.50 (Avs S) to £19.50! Not to worry: people whose shop is A and weren't using the PG may still be buying it at £19.50 and perhaps thinking that it is, well, an even lower price in A:doh:

I wish I worked for Sains. at this moment:rotfl:.

I'll have to stop doing these 10% calculations as they are now irrelevant:o. Except perhaps to the extent that they show the scale of the effective price increase there for most of us, who would previously have bought a correctly-done comparison shop. It's an eye-opener when you realise that virtually everything previously comparable in A, except, it feels like, a minority of items on rollback that weren't on special offer elsewhere around this time, may now have effectively gone up in price - and very substantially indeed on items where the difference+10% is several pounds like this one. Even some of the rollback offers (e.g. Birds Eye Dippers vs T) weren't, and still aren't, quite 10% cheaper even though, taking no account of discount cards elsewhere, A is now still cheaper but its price has effectively increased, for us, if we'd done a comparison shop against T before, by 5p because it wasn't (and still isn't, except that it's now keeping any difference to itself) quite 10% cheaper. So - I would not reward A by now buying Birds Eye Dippers at 95p, even if with a womble, and I certainly wouldn't buy Greenalls 1L Gin from them. I shall try to keep up my strictness even with items such as the former, but wonder how long it will be before something has to crack and a compromise made:(. They are, after all, still cheaper on the dippers, even if they are now more expensive than the previously available APG price to us. It's those useless items, that never gave much 10% if A was cheaper and happened to have a competitor on offer, that often saw us lose out versus other competitors on the system and are items to which I have therefore developed an aversion which is still present to some extent. I just can't bring myself to buy the items that I used to frown on people buying on my APG comparison results before, even though I definitely won't now buy them when they are back at the full prices which I used to like people buying them at before.

The fact there was an APG has:

(a) made us aware of competitor prices;
(b) opened our eyes to the way supermarkets price things;
(c) made us realise how, effectively, widespread and sometimes profoundly grocery prices in A have just this week increased for us;
(d) during its existence, made us more savvy and (if competitor stores are realistically available to us) now continuing to be able to choose the best place to shop, often it seems now away from A. Pity the poor folks on here whose only place to shop is an A. Move! Just move:rotfl:. But no - the benefit before was you could use your A to buy these things and save money. Now it seems likely to me you will be overpaying on many grocery items - or at least paying more than the 10% cheaper price used to be. Unless A really does, which I doubt, introduce its even lower prices pretty soon.

However, I suppose if there never had been an APG, then many of us might have remained in ignorance and just kept overpaying on at least something or on most things, whilst feeling good about having made some saving on a special offer that was more of an impulse purchase and we didn't really need (and at times probably still wasn't 10% cheaper than elsewhere (there I go again - obsessed with the past) or was, unknown to us, on a cheaper special offer elsewhere - but then the matter of thinking in terms of 10% cheaper would never have arisen without the APG having been around that offered this before). Without there having been an APG at any stage, we'd have been unlikely to think about the matter of comparison shops, would have been kept in ignorance and just kept overpaying on most things, unless we really were people who shopped around for the best deal a lot, even on groceries, in the first place?

Meanwhile, I'm averse to buying many of the items on rollback, knowing that a competitor would inevitably go onto an offer price on that item or its equivalent at some stage and then, even if A still has its rollback on, A wouldn't have been 10% cheaper and the cost for me at that stage was less than it now will be on the rollback price being the only lowest one in A available to me. Unless the withdrawal of the APG really does lead to competition on the stores' prices and actually see lower prices for us than the current ones. I doubt it - as I doubt whether 10% cheaper prices on the shelf for everyone would be sustainable particularly when it seems they weren't even sustainable for the few of us that now pay more to see some lower prices for people generally that are still higher prices for us than even a 10% cheaper price on regular items we used to get. We won't get glitch prices. At this stage, to me, even a 10% cheaper price would be better than the prices we now have, as "even lower prices" of 5p off my jaffa cakes and 10p off my SP cheese slices (that are not back to their 50p price that they kept quite a run on a few years back) does not make up anywhere near for it - especially as I have been paying 19p more on each pack of non-comparable cheese slices I'd bought between when they went up a while ago to 69p and earlier this week when they are now 59p. There were some flavoured standard range cheese slices that, at one point very recently, were cheaper than the SP ones.

Savvybuyer

Anon wrote: »

Not new, it has been there for a long time. Maybe we all make a point now of feeding back and commenting how they are more expensive without the APG ... every time we shop .

Anon

I've been commenting enough on this thread:eek:. Also the Chief Operating Officer when announcing the withdrawal of the APG (https://corporate.asda.com/blog/2018/09/05/why-were-removing-the-asda-price-guarantee) said: "Instead [our customers] want us to focus our investment on lowering our prices, and they’ll let us know if we’re falling out of step with the competition."

Well, Asda, you are falling out of step with the competition. You are more expensive on Greenalls Gin than Sainsbury's, more expensive than Tesco and Morrisons on Malibu 1L and you are more expensive, even, than Morrisons on value-range Pork Pies and frozen Chicken Nuggets. Your Dishwasher Cleaner is more expensive than Morrisons - in fact items in every grocery area of the store that aren't on rollback that have a comparable (or what would under the APG have been comparable item) are more expensive than one or another competitor. Even the rollbacks sometimes don't get us 10% cheaper that we used to have so are now more expensive for us than they were when using the APG to claim the difference back. We are still, just about, your customers.

Bet we'll see a matched price on Malibu 1L with Tesco/Morrisons:(. This is no good as the price has gone up compared to 10% off - as it's just same price and the cost of obtaining it from Asda has gone up with the withdrawal of the APG, I'll shop for it at Tesco or Morrisons.

Savvybuyer

Look at this!

Even the mini Babybel is currently more expensive in Asda than upmarket Waitrose:

Mini Babybel Original (6x20g)



[Strike]£2.03[/Strike] £1.00 83.3p / 100g Valid until 30/10/2018

• 
  £1.84
• 
  £1.85
• 
  £1.95

If we send enough of these challenges to Asda, doubtless they will find that they can't match all of these cheapest competitor prices on their shelves and that somewhere else will now be cheaper to buy from for at least some items.

Savvybuyer

Pot Noodles went up on the Asda shelf price last week (if they didn't in your store, they may be a £2 GC) and it seems Morrisons has now gone up but Tesco has gone down and, after checking your SELs are correct in Asda, it's now cheaper to buy in Tesco:


Pot Noodle Chicken & Mushroom Flavour (90g)



£1.00 £1.11 / 100g

• 
  [Strike]£1.00[/Strike]
  50p
• 
  59p
• 
  £2.00 3 for £2.00
• 
  80p
• 
  £1.00

Not that any of us would buy at £1 SEL price. But just to let you know, if you see that in A and have a T available to you, you should now 'consider' buying them at T. I think, in the case of two stores (both A and T) reasonably available to you and aware of this knowledge, no one in the world who wanted to buy them at this moment would now, unless they were completely insane, choose to buy them from Asda. Or Morrisons or Sainsbury's. You'd go to Tesco. Unless you happened to visit M and found them in your M on unchanged SEL of 50p, which seems unlikely to happen as the offer would doubtless be removed, but that's a possibility of getting them for 50p from Morrisons via CS there if your Morrisons happened not to have removed the offer labels for the offer there that ended recently.

A put its price up even during the Tesco offer. It was never 10% cheaper anyway to customers that didn't have a staff discount. It's not possible to get 10% cheaper anymore and, with a recently increased price in A due to its rollback ending, and a changed SEL to the £1 price, Tesco is currently the place to go!

Savvybuyer

Is there anything we'd be buying at Asda?
Own label Chocolate Digestives have been 44p there for some time and are... I was going to say much more expensive everywhere else. Except I've just noticed T are 44p (on some Ms Molly's version) - although mysupermarket are showing T at 44p on the A product, I think that compared against T's own label version at 60p and the Ms Molly's version was non-comparable therefore we haven't lost any 10% but Tesco on Ms Molly's and Lidl on Tower Gate are same price as Asda's own (and Aldi has probably got a version at 44p too). As Tesco and Lidl are same price as Asda, there's no particular point buying them in Asda. You may as well pick one up with your Pot Noodle. Don't let such an item tempt you and waste money!

Own label Lime Juice is cheaper in A than elsewhere but we'd better go quiet on this one in case A put their price up to match everywhere else. Lemon Juice seems cheaper in Lidl and that's so, even though it is 200ml rather than 250ml so the price is not as cheap as it may look, but is still a bit cheaper than 39p (a bit less than 34p per 250ml).

Savvybuyer

Anyway, I've noticed it's nearly 2 o'clock in the morning (and, although it's a weekend night when people may reasonably be up), I'll stop talking about Chocolate Digestives and Pot Noodle:o:rotfl:. I think I'll go to bed like 'people would be expected to'.

See you later:wave:.

Savvybuyer

Just had a final thought tonight.

Sadly, I think people generally will go for "even lower prices". It will resonate more than "Asda Price Guarantee". Most people always go for a worst possible option, that actually sees them paying more, because they don't know the alternatives or don't understand how something more complex works. "Even lower prices" is simple. Even if it is much worse.

It's the same with... does anyone remember T or somewhere having "simple prices on the shelf"? The problem, for me, with the "simple" price was that it was a higher price than before. I really dislike, nowadays, things that are said to be "simple". I prefer things that are complicated as they are far better. The problem with things that are simple is that they are unhelpfully straightforward and there is no loophole in the rules that can be found to get something better or to really save money. As they can't give the cheapest prices to everyone and make money, the simple scheme that applies to everyone is therefore much worse. I want the complicated one that few understand, that people generally make mistakes on, allowing the provider to leave me with a cheaper deal that does allow them to make money as most other people have failed to understand how it works and are paying for me to have the cheaper deal. A dysfunctional system where those who understand it (namely me) are rewarded for our hard work in understanding it and our ability in using it. Far better if there is a nice, fiendish complex scheme under which, if you use it in a particular way, it costs you way much less:money:.

Unfortunately, selling something as being "complicated" does not work. Instead, sometimes you can get tripped up by claims that something is "simple" when in fact it's a complex scheme that makes it appear simple but needs to be done in a particular way, that most people do not understand, for it to pay the best amount or get you the cheapest price.

pandoraskids

Quids answers today

Topshop & Travelodge

10p for me :rotfl: