Unpaid Agency training

HELENHUGHES69

Hi all,

I have managed to get some work with an agency .However, they want me to attend a training induction for 2 days next week ( approx 5 hours each day ) for which they say i will be UNPAID.

Firstly , is this legal not to pay me which is basically 10 hours of training which surely must be considered part of the job and therefore " working" . I could understand them requesting me to undertake maybe a maximum of 2 hrs training over 1 day unpaid, but surely not for 10 hours over 2 seperate days.As a result not only will I not be getting paid for the " Induction training" and lose out there, I will also lose out on expenses due to having to pay travelling expenses to get to their offices.And even after all this training has been done , as we all know with agencies there is no Guarntee of work.

I get the impression the company of taking me for a mug , as worked for an agency before and they paid me for the training induction.

So basically is it legal for them not to pay me for " induction training" which is required as part of the role of the job? ( a total of approx 10 hours over 2 seperate working days ).Thanks

sangie595

HELENHUGHES69 wrote: »

Hi all,

I have managed to get some work with an agency .However, they want me to attend a training induction for 2 days next week ( approx 5 hours each day ) for which they say i will be UNPAID.

Firstly , is this legal not to pay me which is basically 10 hours of training which surely must be considered part of the job and therefore " working" . I could understand them requesting me to undertake maybe a maximum of 2 hrs training over 1 day unpaid, but surely not for 10 hours over 2 seperate days.As a result not only will I not be getting paid for the " Induction training" and lose out there, I will also lose out on expenses due to having to pay travelling expenses to get to their offices.And even after all this training has been done , as we all know with agencies there is no Guarntee of work.

I get the impression the company of taking me for a mug , as worked for an agency before and they paid me for the training induction.

So basically is it legal for them not to pay me for " induction training" which is required as part of the role of the job? ( a total of approx 10 hours over 2 seperate working days ).Thanks

Assuming that your are an employee- which may not be the case- then no, it wouldn't be lawful. But the fact is that you can't exactly tell them they are breaking the law - assuming they are - and expect to continue to employment with them. So what would you intend on doing about this? It seems, to be honest, that your only real recourse here is to refuse the work if you aren't paid. Is that what you want you do? Probably best to pass up and return to a better agency, but then we don't know if you need the work or not.

HELENHUGHES69

Hi there,

No idea whether or not I will be a " Employee " .I will be getting paid though an agency who require me to attend this 2 days/10 hour " training Induction " unpaid with the company I will be working with . The issue I want to know is if I should be paid for this by the agency or if they refuse to pay me for this mandatory training induction is it unlawful?

Hope the above makes sense.

Thanks

sangie595

Yes, but I can't tell you whether it's unlawful because you can't tell me your employment status! But that is really quite irrelevant right now in many ways. You've been told is unpaid - so you must either turn up and agree it's unpaid, or tell them you want paying, in which case you'll probably have no work. Oftentimes, things aren't about whether something is lawful or not- it's about whether you can do anything about it, and what the consequences of your actions might be.

BorisThomson

Hopefully this thread will have a more positive tone, but last time Helen posted she was asking people to send her money. She claimed some users had and she was going to use the money to buy prosecco, but the usernames she gave and her location did not exist. I'd hate for anyone to be drawn in by such a situation.

sangie595 has answered your question. What you need to do is speak to the Jobcentre for their view, as failure to take up work would result in a benefit sanction.

Good luck with your job search.

HELENHUGHES69

Thanks for the reply Sangie595.

Well of course I want paying for work/my time.Not in the business of working/training for free ( my friend is in the police and he got paid for training etc.. ) if anybody knows anybody that is,my house could do with cleaning and a new roof putting on my house.

Comms69

HELENHUGHES69 wrote: »

Thanks for the reply Sangie595.

Well of course I want paying for work/my time.Not in the business of working/training for free ( my friend is in the police and he got paid for training etc.. ) if anybody knows anybody that is,my house could do with cleaning and a new roof putting on my house.

Well if you carry on with that attitude, you wont be working at all...


It's 2 days training, which sounds like the company actually investing in someone for a longer term contract...

TELLIT01

The OP also needs to ask themselves whether 'investing' 2 days of their time to get training could increase their overall chance of getting employment elsewhere too. If the training is totally specific to the company she will be employed by, which is actually highly unlikely, the investment of time may be less worthwhile than if the training provides transferable skills.
To be perfectly honest I'd be amazed if the OP lasts more than 1/2 a day on the training anyway as there is a definite sense of entitlement in their posts.

bugslet

Comms69 wrote: »

Well if you carry on with that attitude, you wont be working at all...


It's 2 days training, which sounds like the company actually investing in someone for a longer term contract...

I must be a real oddball because if I send my drivers on training, I pay them. Training is for my benefit as much as theirs and I am taking their time up.

It does depend what type of training it is, some training is more induction stuff, or going over the firms way of doing something rather than a useful step in learning.

Comms69

bugslet wrote: »

I must be a real oddball because if I send my drivers on training, I pay them. Training is for my benefit as much as theirs and I am taking their time up.

It does depend what type of training it is, some training is more induction stuff, or going over the firms way of doing something rather than a useful step in learning.

That's fine, I get paid training too.


However the point is that the OP has "managed to get some work with an agency" - which suggests getting work has a: been a struggle and b: taken some time.


Yet are happy to throw all that away over a simple induction, which they know is unpaid

ohreally

Comms69 wrote: »

It's 2 days training, which sounds like the company actually investing in someone for a longer term contract...

Then pay them.