Brexit - divorce bill

LHW99

I'm sure the views already exist. Just that they've never been publicly voiced before. Merkel and Macron, Barnier and Juncker don't run the EU.

Although from some of his pronouncements it seems Juncker thinks he does.

westernpromise

The EU needs to decide whether it observes the rule of law or whether it's a racket.

50Twuncle

westernpromise wrote: »

The EU needs to decide whether it observes the rule of law or whether it's a racket.

Is the pope a muslim ?
Of course the whole EU is one big racket - designed to enhance the financial status of those few individuals in post...
The EU Customs Union is a great big protectionist racket as well : https://capx.co/the-eus-customs-union-is-a-protectionist-racket/

cogito

LHW99 wrote: »

Although supposedly there has been a draft document preparing for trade talks with the UK - even though according to the BBC the EU won't tell the UK anything about it oficially.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41604675
Not as open as the early days when the EU released details of a meeting with the PM (in London) which was supposed to be behind closed doors.

I thought the EU were ready with their position papers on everything and it was the UK who were unprepared. At least that's what the Remainers on here keep telling us. Now it seems that the EU have just started to think about trade whereas the UK has been pushing them on this for months.

Private_Church

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I'm sure the views already exist. Just that they've never been publicly voiced before. Merkel and Macron, Barnier and Juncker don't run the EU.

I'm not sure about that given the poor deal Cameron was offered.

If those who do run the EU had any idea of the public feeling even before they snubbed Cameron they would have seen the bigger picture , overruled Merkel etc and offered a viable deal. If they had , the UK would have continued to be a member.

Thrugelmir

Private_Church wrote: »

I'm not sure about that given the poor deal Cameron was offered.

The EU has four core principles. No way was Cameron ever going to be offered a deal. A collison course was envitable.

LHW99

The EU has four core principles

Although it appears that "freedom" of movement continues to be ignored by Germany, Austria, Sweden, Denmark, not to mention Hungary - as has been the case for 2 years now.
It seems the UK can't expect to have a firm border, but others countries can especially when it suits Germany.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-security-borders/germany-france-austria-say-internal-eu-border-checks-still-needed-idUSKBN1CI1FN?ref=hvper.com

Eric_the_half_a_bee

The EU annual accounts are available here

http://ec.europa.eu/budget/library/biblio/publications/2017/EU_Annual_Accounts_2016_en.pdf

The Balance Sheet at page 18 shows that liabilities exceed assets by €72bn. I believe we pay roughly 12% of the EU's budget, so a 12% share of that suggests our share of net liabilities is €9bn.

The EU has asked us for €100bn.

Thrugelmir

Balance sheets do not future future liabilities as they as yet unquantified. What the EU is in effect requesting is that the UK underwrites future income. Without which difficult (austerity) choices would have to be made. With only 4 countries being net contributors to the budget. Easy to see why the others aren't budging.

Eric_the_half_a_bee

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Balance sheets do not future future liabilities as they as yet unquantified.

That is not how balance sheets work. It is the job of the accountants to quantify all liabilities as at the date of the balance sheet.