Is the LTA leading to a shortage of GPs?

justme111

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/files/2017-01/rationing-in-the-nhs-web-final.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjp2uTP0MvWAhXDvRoKHfKDDuM4ChAWCC4wBg&usg=AOvVaw3VprAAFb3oqoaHeQNbP-mb
"rationing is happening now qhethrr we like to admit it or not"

jamesd

justme111 wrote: »

Argument that there are other groups that support your idea is not a proof that it is the correct one.

See principles 1, 2 and 7 of the NHS Constitution for England.

justme111 wrote: »

Unlimited demand can not be met with limited resources - how can someone argue that it is not the case is beyond me.

Nobody in this topic has suggested that, except perhaps you.

justme111 wrote: »

British fascination with free healthcare while nobody blinks an eye im spending money on their cars , nails, pets, drinks and holidays

Nobody? But how is any of that relevant to the NHS delivering on its founding and current principles of universal health care, free at the point of delivery?

justme111 wrote: »

while losing teeth because they are deemed nonresrorable ... is a sorry state of affairs.

Primary care, like that GPs and dentists should provide, is intended in part to try to prevent the more major losses that can follow if there isn't early action. That's part of why good GP access is important, it's likely to deliver better outcomes at lower cost than the same amount of money on more dramatic interventions later on.

justme111

jamesd wrote: »

See principles 1, 2 and 7 of the NHS Constitution for England.

Nobody in this topic has suggested that, except perhaps you.

Nobody? But how is any of that relevant to the NHS delivering on its founding and current principles of universal health care, free at the point of delivery?

Primary care, like that GPs and dentists should provide, is intended in part to try to prevent the more major losses that can follow if there isn't early action. That's part of why good GP access is important, it's likely to deliver better outcomes at lower cost than the same amount of money on more dramatic interventions later on.

you suggested it in your very next line -" universal health care free at the point of delivery."
sorry I do not see what those "principles " prove apart from politicians declaring how good they want everything to be. have you looked at my link?
I do not argue with early access to gp being benefitial. I argue that it is not realistic and when it happens the result is suboptimal anyway

TARDIS

jamesd wrote: »

Primary care, like that GPs and dentists should provide, is intended in part to try to prevent the more major losses that can follow if there isn't early action. That's part of why good GP access is important, it's likely to deliver better outcomes at lower cost than the same amount of money on more dramatic interventions later on.

Completely agree, but difficult to provide decent primary care like this when you have a recruitment and retention crisis.

Also sadly not the direction the NHS has taken eg transferring public health, which can make the biggest future healthcare cost savings, to councils where funds are raided for short term needs.