Interview dilemma

SouthernTeeze

Stylehutz wrote: »

Then there is little point in accepting them then if you dont know what to look out for. How do you think companies get fined 20K then? A simple google search would at least tell you where the microchip is placed amongst other things to look out for.

Companies get fined for not doing any checks at all and not following the general compliance guidance. You are not going to get fined for accepting what you feel is an acceptable ID; so ID which has not been tampered with and the picture is a genuine likeliness of the individual. Also the Home Office does NOT ask you to check for where the microchip is placed.

We have been audited and I was told our processes were excellent, so I think we're doing okay.

Stylehutz

SouthernTeeze wrote: »

Companies get fined for not doing any checks at all and not following the general compliance guidance. You are not going to get fined for accepting what you feel is an acceptable ID; so ID which has not been tampered with and the picture is a genuine likeliness of the individual. Also the Home Office does NOT ask you to check for where the microchip is placed.

We have been audited and I was told our processes were excellent, so I think we're doing okay.

Thats interesting. It does seem to make a mockery of all those pain in the a**e agencies who insist on me bringing it into them to register saying they need the genuine article and wont accept a perfectly feasable scanned copy.

burnoutbabe

The rules are that you need to see the original document, so you can more easily detect a forgery.

So sending a copy is never acceptable.

Stylehutz

burnoutbabe wrote: »

The rules are that you need to see the original document, so you can more easily detect a forgery.

So sending a copy is never acceptable.

This just contradicts the replies of the recruiters who say they are not customs officers. Its already been established that most of them would not even know the simple thing of where to look for where the microchip is placed in a new style passport.

SouthernTeeze

Stylehutz wrote: »

This just contradicts the replies of the recruiters who say they are not customs officers. Its already been established that most of them would not even know the simple thing of where to look for where the microchip is placed in a new style passport.

Go and complain to the Home Office then.

They have supplied employers with guidance about acceptable right to work documents. Nowhere within that guidance does it talk about checking for microchips in passports. I'm sorry that you find this so difficult to accept but it is what it is.

Stylehutz

SouthernTeeze wrote: »

Go and complain to the Home Office then.

They have supplied employers with guidance about acceptable right to work documents. Nowhere within that guidance does it talk about checking for microchips in passports. I'm sorry that you find this so difficult to accept but it is what it is.

So what are the guidelines then just to accept any old document that looks like a passport that might be forged and not to accept anything scanned which appears genuine.

Dont need to contact home office as now found a job and dont need to deal with time wasting agencies or recruiters that want to make your life hard work

SouthernTeeze

Stylehutz wrote: »

So what are the guidelines then just to accept any old document that looks like a passport that might be forged and not to accept anything scanned which appears genuine.

Dont need to contact home office as now found a job and dont need to deal with time wasting agencies or recruiters that want to make your life hard work

Er I didn't say that.

I'm going to say it once more, let's hope you comprehend what I've said this time.

The guidance states that you must see an original document. If the ID produced is a passport it must be clearly untampered and show a true likeness of the individual. I fail to see how you can check if a document has been tampered with if you're looking at a photocopy. :rotfl:

I don't see the point in getting grumpy with agencies as they are simply carrying out their obligations.

fewgroats

This does seem a sign of the times. I applied for many care jobs about twenty years ago, I even volunteered in hospitals but never needed a passport. It would have been handy for opening bank accounts and such like though.

Stylehutz

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SouthernTeeze wrote: »

Er I didn't say that.

I'm going to say it once more, let's hope you comprehend what I've said this time.

The guidance states that you must see an original document. If the ID produced is a passport it must be clearly untampered and show a true likeness of the individual. I fail to see how you can check if a document has been tampered with if you're looking at a photocopy. :rotfl:

I don't see the point in getting grumpy with agencies as they are simply carrying out their obligations.

So if I knock up a small Maroon 32 page booklet with my photo and a made up passport number, there will be no questions asked?

For the record a lot of passports nearing the 10 year expiry dates are in a very poor way Quality wise with photo maybe starting to come unattached. How would you know if it hadn't been tampered with?

powerful_Rogue

Stylehutz wrote: »

All very interesting with you interviewers and your look at me im doing the right thing checking your passport attitude.

Out of interest, would any of you know how to tell the difference between a genuine passport and a good forged one. For instance knowing where the microchip is placed in a new style passport?

I would, but then I handle 100's of documents a shift.

There is guidance on the gov.uk website for employers to make basic passport checks. In the new 2015 GBR passport theres even a page showing basic passport checks for employers.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/basic-passport-checks

Also documents can be verified online using the governments verify service.

https://identityassurance.blog.gov.uk/2014/10/10/introducing-the-document-checking-service/