How common is it to have pay deducted for sick days?

Savvy_Sue

I've needed two long-ish periods of sick leave leading to phased return, and in both cases I was determined to return to work before I ran out of full company sick pay. I think the first time, without the phased return, I'd never have gone back. And if I'd been on SSP I might not have felt the same urgency / incentive.

I don't think it's made any difference to the number of 'odd' days off I've needed.

mattcanary

glentoran99 wrote: »

Ok? so not being paid is going to make you be sick more? crazy logic

It's not really.

He;s saying if the employer isn;t putting themselves out financially for him, when why should he out himself out for the company if he doesn;t feel 100%.

It's logical enough. Won;t help him financially, but otherwise it makes sense.

mattcanary

Undervalued wrote: »

Perhaps by taking some responsibility for themselves, although I know that is getting less and less fashionable these days!

Seriously, people need to budget and having a rainy day fund should be one of their highest priorities. If they only get SSP then they need to put some money aside to at least cover the difference for a month or more.

Indeed - but paying sick pay did seem to be more common twenty years ago,than it is now.

karcher

A former Private Sector Employer of mine had a very generous sick pay policy. Full pay for 12 weeks then SSP.

A number of long standing employees saw these 12 weeks as free holiday so duly took their entitlement yearly to supplement their (in contrast) meagre 4 week holiday allowance.

cool-dog

To all the people saying take some responsibility and save.

How many JAMs (Just About Managing) people are there in the country?

Many people have had no or little increase in salary, rents are very expensive in relation to peoples take home pay, bills are increasing so even more strain on salaries. Inflation is pushing up food etc.

Many people would like to save, however this is not possible for many people. But hey this is the UK capitalism is king, screw the little people as long as the CEO / Directors / Shareholders get a good deal that is all that matters.

TELLIT01

Undervalued wrote: »

Perhaps by taking some responsibility for themselves, although I know that is getting less and less fashionable these days!

Seriously, people need to budget and having a rainy day fund should be one of their highest priorities. If they only get SSP then they need to put some money aside to at least cover the difference for a month or more.

Great in theory, but many people really are struggling to make ends meet on a week to week basis. My brother-in-law works full time and also does building work at weekends and on his days off. His wife also works part time and has been looking for full time for several years. All the f/t work in retail (the only area she knows) seems to be going to youngsters because they are paid less. They would love to have money left to put away for the rainy days. They certainly don't chuck their money around either. They got rid of Sky, his car cost £200, they rarely go out to eat and he cooks everything from fresh ingredients.
Try telling them they need to take more responsibility!

Undervalued

cool-dog wrote: »

To all the people saying take some responsibility and save.

How many JAMs (Just About Managing) people are there in the country?

Many people have had no or little increase in salary, rents are very expensive in relation to peoples take home pay, bills are increasing so even more strain on salaries. Inflation is pushing up food etc.

Many people would like to save, however this is not possible for many people. But hey this is the UK capitalism is king, screw the little people as long as the CEO / Directors / Shareholders get a good deal that is all that matters.

I don't know but it depends greatly on your definition of "just about managing". Compare their standard of living and ideas of "essentials" with people doing the same job in their parents or grandparents generation.

Yes, some people are genuinely struggling despite their best efforts. However many more see themselves as struggling just because they are not receiving the level of income to which they consider themselves entitled.

bugslet

mattcanary wrote: »

Indeed - but paying sick pay did seem to be more common twenty years ago,than it is now.

Between leaving school and starting working for myself 26 years ago, I had five different emoyers. None of them paid anything more than SSP.

I started income protection when I was the lowest paid person in my company, and I was the lowest paid for nine years. At that point, the people earning more were van drivers, so that tells you how low my pay was:o

Malthusian

cool-dog wrote: »

To all the people saying take some responsibility and save.

How many JAMs (Just About Managing) people are there in the country?

In the UK? None. Everyone with a full time minimum wage job can afford rainy day savings just as they can afford an adequate standard of food and shelter. If they spend it on something else that is their choice.

Many people have had no or little increase in salary, rents are very expensive in relation to peoples take home pay, bills are increasing so even more strain on salaries. Inflation is pushing up food etc.

If your expenditure is increasing but your income is not then you need to get a better-paying job or reduce expenditure. What else do you expect to happpen?

But hey this is the UK capitalism is king, screw the little people as long as the CEO / Directors / Shareholders get a good deal that is all that matters.

If ranting about the 1% makes it bearable to live hand to mouth on government benefits and you feel you don't need financial security, then it's a free country.

GlasweJen

Malthusian wrote: »

In the UK? None. Everyone with a full time minimum wage job can afford rainy day savings just as they can afford an adequate standard of food and shelter. If they spend it on something else that is their choice.

If your expenditure is increasing but your income is not then you need to get a better-paying job or reduce expenditure. What else do you expect to happpen?

If ranting about the 1% makes it bearable to live hand to mouth on government benefits and you feel you don't need financial security, then it's a free country.

I'm part time but earn FTMW equivalent. Add that to my PIP and I wouldn't be able to afford to pay rent, council tax and the ridiculous cost of care if we didn't have my husbands wage. If I went for the basic council care package I wouldn't be able to work as the council won't guarantee times that their carers will turn up.