Why is this allowed

prowla

Undervalued wrote: »

The firm have made clear what is on offer and what is required.

Well, I'm not so sure they have - there are no specific days & times, so it's just vague.

I think they are saying it's not 9-5 Monday-Friday work.

It'd need the prospective worker to interview then to ascertain the requirements.

It might suit some people to have this casual arrangement.

Masomnia

prowla wrote: »

It might suit some people to have this casual arrangement.

Saying that staff must be available evenings, weekends and Christmas doesn't particularly casual to me!

I agree with UV that they're being honest, which is fine, but 'you must be available at Christmas' does not a genuine ZHC make.

theoretica

I think a lot depends on how it plays out in reality - it doesn't say must be available all weekend and every evening. It could mean they only have shifts at weekends and evenings and need people to cover Christmas.

Undervalued

theoretica wrote: »

I think a lot depends on how it plays out in reality - it doesn't say must be available all weekend and every evening. It could mean they only have shifts at weekends and evenings and need people to cover Christmas.

Quite.

It could be slightly clumsy wording but means that the work offered will be at those times. If you are only available 9 to 5 Mon to Fri then zero hours is what you will get! As you say, nothing says you have to be available every evening, weekend or Christmas.

adonis

Undervalued wrote: »

Why not?

It is entirely up to the individual whether they want to apply or not.

The firm have made clear what is on offer and what is required.

If nobody suitable applies they will have to try again offering different terms.

Would the Jobcenter send anyone even if they didn't want zero hours?

Undervalued

adonis wrote: »

Would the Jobcenter send anyone even if they didn't want zero hours?

I have no idea.

xapprenticex

adonis wrote: »

Would the Jobcenter send anyone even if they didn't want zero hours?

Rent and bills to pay.. no they wont. If you live at home with mommy/daddy then yes, you will be required to apply.

getmore4less

The key issue I see is that true Zero hour contracts cannot include exclusive clauses.

Saying you must be available for certain days means you cannot work elsewhere.

the second issue will be the right to turn down work offered, must be available is at odds with that right.


In practice some places the shifts on offer and the persons availability have close correlation.

The problem is the zero hours legislation was fairly weak as it left it too open to abuse on availability/notice clauses in T&C's.

Undervalued

getmore4less wrote: »

The key issue I see is that true Zero hour contracts cannot include exclusive clauses.

Saying you must be available for certain days means you cannot work elsewhere.

the second issue will be the right to turn down work offered, must be available is at odds with that right.


In practice some places the shifts on offer and the persons availability have close correlation.

The problem is the zero hours legislation was fairly weak as it left it too open to abuse on availability/notice clauses in T&C's.

As I said earlier, maybe poor wording, but if they are only likely to have work available at certain times then it is completely pointless for people to apply if that doesn't suit.

If a business is only needs extra staff on Monday evenings then surely it is better to say so? It doesn't mean a zero hour person has to be available every single Monday evening.

Gingernutty

Sorry OP.

You're going to have to come back and tell us what you think is so wrong.