Residents Parking and UK Car Park Management

ChrisJspen

I've just found out my daughter has received several tickets whilst visiting her friend (who was ill at the time). The parking is residents only and does not have visitors permits. On the advice of her friend she has ignored the tickets (!).
Her car is a lease car and the company have issued a PCN to the lease company who have paid the first fine and notified my daughter (in accordance with their policy). I have stopped them paying any further charges.These could total £1000.
Clearly there are no valid grounds for appeal - as she didn't overstay any paid parking etc.
I've read the sticky for newbies but I must admit to being confused as to the way forward.
Help please.

System

Get the friend to get the lease out and see what is says about visitor parking.

safarmuk

A few more answers would help the advice that can be given here, for example:
* Where did the driver park, in the friends parking space or somewhere else on the estate?
* When the residents have visitors where are those visitors advised to park?

Ultimately this may come down to what your daughters friends lease says and what she can do when speaking with the Management Agents who manage the estate.

For now you have done the right thing in stopping the lease company paying the ticket, how did you get them to agree to this - they will need to discharge their liability and generally this will mean naming the lessee (e.g. your daughter).

ChrisJspen

From the information we have at present there doesn't appear to be any visitor parking arrangements (although we are trying to verify this). There are no designated spaces for anyone, and the car was parked on the road.
With regards to the lease company I advised them that we were in the process of appealing and they are sending any invoices to her with out paying them .From feedback thay gave us this is not the only dispute they are aware of.

Half_way

Starting from the top, what days the lease say about parking, if anything?
And what authority does the parking company have to insist on permits, forget what any signs may say, what authority does the parking company have?

Coupon-mad

On the advice of her friend she has ignored the tickets (!).

Obviously no-one who leases a car or hires it or use a courtesy car, should ever ignore any type of PCN on that vehicle. Do they not realise that the letters go to the lease firm/company keeper as named by the DVLA? Wow, she is lucky they didn't just pay these and whack an extra £30 admin fee on each one.

Anyway now she's learnt that lesson, the case sounds like this one on pepipoo:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=113210

...similar situation except theirs is UKPC (a different firm with the added bonus of a winding up application hanging over them). Sadly we know of no similar application against UKCPM, a notoriously nasty bunch of ex-clampers who should IMHO, never be let loose near residents' cars.

The relevant info in the NEWBIES thread is all in post #2, from replying to a LBCCC onwards.

Has she taken 'ownership' of all the PCNs by writing to say she was the lessee/hirer (NOT DRIVER, NOTHING ELSE) and giving her postal address and confirming that the lease firm have authorised her to transfer the liability to her as LESSEE/HIRER?

That will stop them writing to the lease firm. Keep proof of her letter covering this - even better would be if the lease firm would reply and state she is the lessee/ hirer, this is her address and they have transferred any liability under the POFA for all and any PCN issued to that vehicle by UKCPM, between xx/xx/16 and xx/xx/17 (name the PCN numbers, all of them).

That would be best, if the lease firm would do that single reply, not commenting on who might be the driver of course (such a reply is very much in their interests because it transfers the liability to the lessee/hirer). If not, she must do so.

Half_way

another case on pepipoo here http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=112563&st=40&start=40

i would strongly advise that you read the links in Lynzers posts here
http://www.thebridesmother.co.uk/Media/residential-parking.pdf
and
http://www.thebridesmother.co.uk/Media/Templates.pdf
courtesy of Lynzer on pepipoo