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Huge shortfall in endowment

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  • lovinituk
    lovinituk Posts: 5,711 Forumite
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    That signature is 8 years out of date I'm afraid, since I've not been able to work I've accrued more debts...
    The point is that your mortgage situation has changed more than once but your endowment has not by the sounds of it.

    When you paid your mortgage off 8 years ago, your endowment became an additional investment to you with no mortgage to pay off.

    If you then took another mortgage but made no changes to the endowment, you can't expect it cover the full amount owed on the new mortgage - there was no longer any connection.

    There was effectively a disconnect between the mortgage and endowment the moment you paid your mortgage off.
  • silvercar
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    If you then took another mortgage but made no changes to the endowment, you can't expect it cover the full amount owed on the new mortgage - there was no longer any connection.

    There was effectively a disconnect between the mortgage and endowment the moment you paid your mortgage off.

    Disconnect or not, the endowment would pay out the same amount.
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  • TrickyDicky101
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    The point is the compensation paid would have put the OP back in the position they would have been in had they had a repayment mortgage and not an interest-only/endowment combination. Hence, any subsequent under-performance of the endowment is down to their (the OP's) investment choices.

    Sadly for the OP they need to repay the shortfall amount they have on their new mortgage.
  • lovinituk
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    edited 24 March 2017 at 7:24PM
    silvercar wrote: »
    Disconnect or not, the endowment would pay out the same amount.
    Yes I realise that but the OP moved the goal posts when their mortgage situation changed - twice by the sounds of it. The endowment has no connection to the current mortgage other than it won't be enough to cover it.

    They should have reviewed the endowment at the point the new borrowing was taken out.
  • The new mortgage was lower than the endowment level so I didn't need to top up the endowment.

    It seems like I have no comeback at all, even though the endowment company updated my address wrongly ten years ago when I changed it with them.
  • Tigsteroonie
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    It seems like I have no comeback at all, even though the endowment company updated my address wrongly ten years ago when I changed it with them.

    I doubt that an administrative error such as this would be compensated to the tune of £12,000.
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  • lovinituk
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    The new mortgage was lower than the endowment level so I didn't need to top up the endowment.
    When did you take out the new mortgage and how much was it for?
  • silvercar
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    The new mortgage was lower than the endowment level so I didn't need to top up the endowment.

    It seems like I have no comeback at all, even though the endowment company updated my address wrongly ten years ago when I changed it with them.

    If you could argue that the clock for a compensation complaint should be reset, you only get the difference between what you actually paid and what you would have paid had you taken a repayment mortgage (including allowing for the lower outstanding mortgage.) You don't get an automatic payment of the shortfall on what would have been your mortgage. Given that endowment mortgages usually were cheaper, a lot of people didn't find themselves entitled to compensation.
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  • dunstonh
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    Don't forget that redress has already been paid. You dont get a second bite of the cherry.
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  • Fair enough, thanks everyone for your advice in this. I'll just have to suck it up. It's only money at the end of the day!
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