Fired but not fired...

Ryan_

Hello,

A bit of background.

I was working for an independent business until 2nd Feb this year, on the day I turned up late and the owner told me to get my things and leave. I know you can't just fire someone on the spot for being late, there's protocol and procedure to follow.

Anyway, we had an argument and i said some things to him that you can't really say to your boss, swearing and the like, I then got my belongings and left. Since then, I've heard nothing from my line manager, general manager, or the owner despite texting my line manager on the day to explain what happened.

Today, I received a paycheck with one day's pay accounted for and a P45 in the post, there's no formal termination letter and for the last month I wasn't actually "sacked" I essentially stopped turning up.

This doesn't seem correct to me as there were literally no formal termination proceedings and although I haven't worked the rest of the days after the 1st Feb, am not entitled to the rest of the pay from February?

Thanks.

Guest101

Ryan_ wrote: »

Hello,

A bit of background.

I was working for an independent business until 2nd Feb this year, on the day I turned up late and the owner told me to get my things and leave. I know you can't just fire someone on the spot for being late, there's protocol and procedure to follow. - that depends on how long you've worked there.

Anyway, we had an argument and i said some things to him that you can't really say to your boss, swearing and the like, I then got my belongings and left. - so gross misconduct? Since then, I've heard nothing from my line manager, general manager, or the owner despite texting my line manager on the day to explain what happened. - What is it you want?

Today, I received a paycheck with one day's pay accounted for and a P45 in the post, there's no formal termination letter and for the last month I wasn't actually "sacked" I essentially stopped turning up. - well then they don't owe you anything. You didn't work your notice

This doesn't seem correct to me as there were literally no formal termination proceedings and although I haven't worked the rest of the days after the 1st Feb, am not entitled to the rest of the pay from February? - not if you didn't turn up

Thanks.

How long you worked there? Less than two years?

agrinnall

From what you've written about the only thing they might owe you is accrued holiday pay. I wouldn't expect a good reference from them in the future either.

Undervalued

Ryan_ wrote: »

Hello,

A bit of background.

I was working for an independent business until 2nd Feb this year, on the day I turned up late and the owner told me to get my things and leave. I know you can't just fire someone on the spot for being late, there's protocol and procedure to follow.

Yes you can! It might, under some circumstances, increase your chances of being able to claim unfair dismissal (assuming you have worked there for more than two years).

Anyway, we had an argument and i said some things to him that you can't really say to your boss, swearing and the like, I then got my belongings and left. Since then, I've heard nothing from my line manager, general manager, or the owner despite texting my line manager on the day to explain what happened.

Which could well amount to gross misconduct in itself.

Today, I received a paycheck with one day's pay accounted for and a P45 in the post, there's no formal termination letter and for the last month I wasn't actually "sacked" I essentially stopped turning up.

This doesn't seem correct to me as there were literally no formal termination proceedings and although I haven't worked the rest of the days after the 1st Feb, am not entitled to the rest of the pay from February?

Well, given that you were either instantly dismissed for gross misconduct or you resigned without giving notice, then your only entitlement is for pay up to that moment and any accrued holiday.

As I said earlier, unless you have more than two years service you cannot claim unfair dismissal. If they don't pay you accrued holiday then you could potentially sue for that.

Ryan_

Okay, thanks for the replies. I've never been sacked/walked out of a job before so wasn't sure what happened next or what the protocol was surrounding my particular situation.

elsien

The protocol for future reference might be to refrain from swearing at your boss.

xapprenticex

Must be more to it, you must have been late many times and they had enough of it, you must have had warnings someone.

Maybe grovelling and not arguing with your boss would have saved your job. You need to learn to play it smart at work, WHEN you are the manager or at least permanent, you can stop pretending and be the horrible person you really are (as im doing :rotfl:)

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Ryan_ wrote: »

Okay, thanks for the replies. I've never been sacked/walked out of a job before so wasn't sure what happened next or what the protocol was surrounding my particular situation.

You sound a little like me in 2014, our bosses knew we weren't happy and there had been a bust up so I'd never expect to hear from them. They know you are alive. I've never done anything like it since.

Some companies have an AWOL policy - I know couple of our existing team just didn't turn up and it's always said they were tracked down away from our setting eventually and that they are ok which was the main thing. (Ended up tables reversed and I could easily thank one for going with the opportunity it opened up just when I needed it most perhaps, so can't judge)

Ryan_

xapprenticex wrote: »

Must be more to it, you must have been late many times and they had enough of it, you must have had warnings someone.

Maybe grovelling and not arguing with your boss would have saved your job. You need to learn to play it smart at work, WHEN you are the manager or at least permanent, you can stop pretending and be the horrible person you really are (as im doing :rotfl:)

There is more to it but my original post would have strayed into essay territory if I included all of it, so I decided to be as brief as I could.

Ryan_

elsien wrote: »

The protocol for future reference might be to refrain from swearing at your boss.

If you worked for him you'd understand, but yes, that didn't help matters. I hated the job and had been applying (and interviewing) for other things anyway, it sped up my departure, just not in the smooth way I would have liked.

stugib

Ryan_ wrote: »

If you worked for him you'd understand, but yes, that didn't help matters. I hated the job and had been applying (and interviewing) for other things anyway, it sped up my departure, just not in the smooth way I would have liked.

Well let's hope you're not going to have to rely on a reference for those jobs you're applying for then!