Struggling with daily life due to Chronic Pain

Pop_Up_Pirate

Mrs_Ryan wrote: »

It would be nice if I could do that but unfortunately I can't. We're on a very limited budget and can't afford organic veg,meat or wild caught fish. I don't eat bread, cakes or pastries anyway. I don't eat a lot of sugar or drink any fruit juice. I cannot cook from scratch so I couldn't give up processed foods. It wasn't just cravings I had for carbs- I was really ill. Like I say what works for some doesn't work for others- I don't take any meds for my pain, I just get on with it- most of my pain comes from my spinal tumours, not my fibro and no diet in the world is going to cure em.

If you can't afford organic then do it with other veg and veg is cheaper than processed ready meals.
I couldn't cook either as I was too ill, but I took it slowly. Start with a green juice a day and work in more as you gain energy.

Cutting out refined carbs will make you feel "ill". You will get something called the "Low Carb Flu". This is normal, but can make you feel absolutely awful.
Your body is adjusting to use fat instead of glucose as fuel and it can take a few weeks until you feel ok.

If you persevere and are determined to get better, you can do it.

lessonlearned

I did find that I couldn't go "cold turkey" the way POP Up Pirate did, I had to take it slowly. I started with wheat, then rice, then oatmeal, then white potatoes (using sweet potatoes) TBH I am not that keen on sweet potatoes so rarely bother.

Re buying organic, ideally yes, but sourcing organic foods at a reasonable price can be very difficult, so again I wouldn't worry overly much on that score. Non organic is good enough.

The big one is cooking from scratch as much as possible. Processed foods really won't help. A slow cooker is a big help help. Just sling in some meat and a pile of veg, job done. You can buy veg ready chopped if you can't manage.

Processed foods and convenience foods are expensive, far more so than if you cook it yourself. The cheaper cuts of meat and seasonable vegetables will cost far less per portion than ready meals.

Obviously eating properly won't cure spinal tumours but it will improve your overall health and well being.

teddysmum

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I have been eating paleo for around a year, no more IBS or GERD, fibromyalgia gone, no more migraines. No longer type 2 diabetic, blood sugars have been normal for at least 6 months. I've never felt better.

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Sorry to disappoint you, but unless your diabetes was gestational, you still have it. It doesn't go away, but with correct diet, you can make glucose levels normal.


Your body is not capable of producing enough or effective insulin, to cope with any old diet and this will remain so, but you can take your levels into the normal range by following a suitable diet.


Eat anything and the diabetes symptoms are back. It's just like an alcoholic never being cured; they just learn to go without alcohol, but revert if they do drink.


6 months of normal glucose levels is good, but I know a man who was 'normal' for years of good diet and exercise, then suddenly found that he went rapidly from needing tablets to insulin injections. He warned me that it will 'get' me sooner or later.


I've been ok for over 7 years (with one naughty wobble; easily done) , but have been a little naughty recently, too, so await my annual 'MOT' with some trepidation.

lessonlearned

teddysmum wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint you, but unless your diabetes was gestational, you still have it. It doesn't go away, but with correct diet, you can make glucose levels normal.


Your body is not capable of producing enough or effective insulin, to cope with any old diet and this will remain so, but you can take your levels into the normal range by following a suitable diet.


Eat anything and the diabetes symptoms are back. It's just like an alcoholic never being cured; they just learn to go without alcohol, but revert if they do drink.


6 months of normal glucose levels is good, but I know a man who was 'normal' for years of good diet and exercise, then suddenly found that he went rapidly from needing tablets to insulin injections. He warned me that it will 'get' me sooner or later.


I've been ok for over 7 years (with one naughty wobble; easily done) , but have been a little naughty recently, too, so await my annual 'MOT' with some trepidation.

Yes I am still diabetic......what I meant was that due to overhauling my diet I have bought and kept my blood sugars back to within a normal range.

I agree it will have to be a lifelong change to keep them there. There is always risk they will become unstable.

No meds required so far so all to the good (for now).

Good luck with your MOT.

Pop_Up_Pirate

teddysmum wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint you, but unless your diabetes was gestational, you still have it. It doesn't go away, but with correct diet, you can make glucose levels normal.


Your body is not capable of producing enough or effective insulin, to cope with any old diet and this will remain so, but you can take your levels into the normal range by following a suitable diet.


Eat anything and the diabetes symptoms are back. It's just like an alcoholic never being cured; they just learn to go without alcohol, but revert if they do drink.


6 months of normal glucose levels is good, but I know a man who was 'normal' for years of good diet and exercise, then suddenly found that he went rapidly from needing tablets to insulin injections. He warned me that it will 'get' me sooner or later.


I've been ok for over 7 years (with one naughty wobble; easily done) , but have been a little naughty recently, too, so await my annual 'MOT' with some trepidation.

According to empirical evidence and numerous doctors, type 2 diabetes can be cured. No symptoms and free of medication is classed as 'cured'.
Have a watch of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaY4m00wXpw to see one doctors perspective but there are 100s more out there.

KxMx

There is a growing body of thought that the pancreas can regenerate, which is opposite to the previous school of thought.

It seems to be triggered by a crash diet which puts the organ into survival mode, and re boots the systems.

(Needless to say, those diets are dangerous for anyone without medical approval and monitoring, let alone a diabetic)

Actual research and evidence (excluding newspaper articles & TV shows) is currently quite thin on the ground.

It is however going forward being looked at in much more detail and is quite an exciting area of research.

teddysmum

Pop_Up_Pirate wrote: »

According to empirical evidence and numerous doctors, type 2 diabetes can be cured. No symptoms and free of medication is classed as 'cured'.
Have a watch of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaY4m00wXpw to see one doctors perspective but there are 100s more out there.

But it isn't cured; just symptom free and managed. Your insulin system is broken and will only cope if treated to suitable intake.


I joined Diabetes UK years ago and have never heard a medic say otherwise. (We had lots of professionals giving talks).

Pop_Up_Pirate

teddysmum wrote: »

But it isn't cured; just symptom free and managed. Your insulin system is broken and will only cope if treated to suitable intake.


I joined Diabetes UK years ago and have never heard a medic say otherwise. (We had lots of professionals giving talks).

There are 100s of doctors out there who say the complete opposite and have published research papers proving it. Also, research empirical evidence.

If a person is free of symptoms and takes no medication for 6 months or more, they are deemed 'cured'. What makes you think they would still be classed as having an illness when there are no effects of it at all?

The "insulin system" is overworked, not broken and overworked systems can be restored according to 100s of diabetes experts around the world who all say 'diabetes is caused by inadequate diets, and inadequate diets can be corrected. Of course, if a person doesn't stick to the corrected diet, then they are at risk of diabetes returning.' Liken it to someone eating rancid chicken and giving themselves food poisoning, stop eating the rancid chicken and the food poisoning goes away. (cured) but if they eat the rancid chicken in future, it will come back.

The problem with Diabetes is getting people to understand how the body works, which foods affect it in what way and then getting them to stick to healthy eating, which does mean no refined carbs, sugars, processed foods, cooking oils etc and also putting the right nutrition into the body as most diabetics are deficient in many key nutrients.

Our doctors today treat chronic illnesses the same way as they treat acute illnesses looking to 'cure' or manage symptoms. It doesn't work.
Chronic illnesses needed to be address at the root cause and not just have meds thrown at it when all they do is mask the problems and cause the body to need more and more.

elsien

Going back to Pop up Pirates comment about Alzheimer's. There is no lifestyle factor that has been definitively shown to reduce the risk. Yes a diet lacking in fruit and veg will impact on health, but it's a big step to go from that to the implication that such a drastically amended diet can stave it off.

teddysmum

Pop_Up_Pirate wrote: »

There are 100s of doctors out there who say the complete opposite and have published research papers proving it. Also, research empirical evidence.

If a person is free of symptoms and takes no medication for 6 months or more, they are deemed 'cured'. What makes you think they would still be classed as having an illness when there are no effects of it at all?

The "insulin system" is overworked, not broken and overworked systems can be restored according to 100s of diabetes experts around the world who all say 'diabetes is caused by inadequate diets, and inadequate diets can be corrected. Of course, if a person doesn't stick to the corrected diet, then they are at risk of diabetes returning.' Liken it to someone eating rancid chicken and giving themselves food poisoning, stop eating the rancid chicken and the food poisoning goes away. (cured) but if they eat the rancid chicken in future, it will come back.

The problem with Diabetes is getting people to understand how the body works, which foods affect it in what way and then getting them to stick to healthy eating, which does mean no refined carbs, sugars, processed foods, cooking oils etc and also putting the right nutrition into the body as most diabetics are deficient in many key nutrients.

Our doctors today treat chronic illnesses the same way as they treat acute illnesses looking to 'cure' or manage symptoms. It doesn't work.
Chronic illnesses needed to be address at the root cause and not just have meds thrown at it when all they do is mask the problems and cause the body to need more and more.

There are lots of internet experts, some of whom give out dangerous information.


I prefer to listen to people with known qualifications and track record.


Are you qualified in any way ?


With Type 2 diabetes the insulin is not good enough or is in too small supply to work properly, therefore the system is broken. Drugs, which are not the first call (except via some GPs who are not well informed) can increase production/efficiency, but if they are stopped they go back to square one.


A good diet does not cure diabetes, it just provides nourishment that the impaired insulin output can cope with, so show glucose results in the normal range.


As I have pointed out, people with type 2 who have a good diet and normal test, for years, can suddenly deteriorate. It is said to be a progressive disorder, so eventually, diet alone does not help.


Of course,if you are not diagnosed until 75 and die at 76 from some other cause, you could appear to have been cured, as there was not sufficient time for a relapse.


Saying someone with diabetes is cured by diet, is like saying that someone with an allergy to fish is cured if they don't eat fish, just because they don't have rashes or breathing problems , as they will if they eat fish again.


An alcoholic who hasn't drunk alcohol for years is not cured, either, as if they start drinking again the cravings and other symptoms will return.