"Housing Market Slumps"

GreatApe

I give up if you cant beat them join them

Everything is !!!!, life is hard, and I cant buy a nice house in inner London, which must be someones fault as I am a good moral person who deserves more than I have.

ukcarper

GreatApe wrote: »

I give up if you cant beat them join them

Everything is !!!!, life is hard, and I cant buy a nice house in inner London, which must be someones fault as I am a good moral person who deserves more than I have.

Nobody has said that everybody should be able to buy a nice house in inner London, that's just what you say other are saying. I'm not sure if you are deliberately misinterpretating what people are saying or so blinkered you can't see it.

GreatApe

ukcarper wrote: »

Nobody has said that everybody should be able to buy a nice house in inner London, that's just what you say other are saying. I'm not sure if you are deliberately misinterpretating what people are saying or so blinkered you can't see it.

My position is clear:

Housing is cheap in most the UK, it is expensive in London but affordable.

I dont think you disagree, and I think Mr Wind in his more calm moments would begrudgingly accept it. Debates about nurses and inheritances and morals need not muddy our agreement on the above statement.

ukcarper

GreatApe wrote: »

My position is clear:

Housing is cheap in most the UK, it is expensive in London but affordable.

I dont think you disagree, and I think Mr Wind in his more calm moments would begrudgingly accept it. Debates about nurses and inheritances and morals need not muddy our agreement on the above statement.

I think we agree to some extent, I also think housing is affordable in many parts of the country, but I don't thinks it's affordable in London, many parts of the southeast and some other areas.

To make clear what I mean by affordable I mean that people earning median earnings can get a big enough mortgage to buy.

GreatApe

ukcarper wrote: »

Nobody has said that everybody should be able to buy a nice house in inner London, that's just what you say other are saying. I'm not sure if you are deliberately misinterpretating what people are saying or so blinkered you can't see it.

This is the 20 pages of debate condensed down to a few lines

Ape:..............BMWs are affordable for BMW buyers
CarpWind:...But not for nurses
Ape:..............It doesn't matter nurses are not needed for BMWs to be priced at BMW prices
CarpWind:...But nurses work hard and are good moral people
Ape:..............OK but BMW buyers earn/have enough money to buy BMWs at BMW prices
CarpWind.....Im not sure that is true, the median person has XXX income which is not enough to buy a BMW
Ape:..............Your figures do not include non earned income
CarpWind.....Ok non earned income exists but its not as much as you say
Ape:...............So what? BMW buyers irrespective of what you think and feel clearly today are paying BMW prices for BMWs
CarpWind.....The nurse can not buy a BMW she is a good moral important person
Ape:...............OK but what has that got to do with any of this
CarpWind......She should be able to buy a BMW as moving to buying a Ford is unjust the system is thus broken or in a bubble just you wait BMW prices will fall to Ford prices
Ape:............... I give up the nurse is a moral important person
CarpWind......Nobody said that

BikingBud

economic wrote: »

yeh you are right median is more like 30k.

damn thats low. no wonder people cant afford to buy property!

Was that moment of realisation or sarcasm?

ukcarper

GreatApe wrote: »

This is the 20 pages of debate condensed down to a few lines

Ape:..............BMWs are affordable for BMW buyers
CarpWind: But not for nurses
Ape:..............It doesn't matter nurses are not needed for BMWs to be priced at BMW prices
CarpWind: But nurses work hard and are good moral people
Ape:..............OK but BMW buyers earn/have enough money to buy BMWs at BMW prices
CarpWind Im not sure that is true, the median person has XXX income which is not enough to buy a BMW
Ape:..............Your figures do not include non earned income
CarpWind Ok non earned income exists but its not as much as you say
Ape:...............So what? BMW buyers irrespective of what you think and feel clearly today are paying BMW prices for BMWs
CarpWind The nurse can not buy a BMW she is a good moral important person
Ape:...............OK but what has that got to do with any of this
CarpWind She should be able to buy a BMW as moving to buying a Ford is unjust the system is thus broken or in a bubble just you wait
Ape:............... I give up the nurse is a moral important person
CarpWind Nobody said that

That is no where near what I am saying and as I've said before I'm not sure if you just can't see it or deliberately ignoring it.

GreatApe

ukcarper wrote: »

I think we agree to some extent, I also think housing is affordable in many parts of the country, but I don't thinks it's affordable in London, many parts of the southeast and some other areas.

To make clear what I mean by affordable I mean that people earning median earnings can get a big enough mortgage to buy.

so we are back to ignoring the existence of wealth outside of a wage

economic

BikingBud wrote: »

Was that moment of realisation or sarcasm?

both. because it doesnt matter in this debate about median income only.

Windofchange

GreatApe wrote: »

This is the 20 pages of debate condensed down to a few lines

Ape:..............BMWs are affordable for BMW buyers
CarpWind: But not for nurses
Ape:..............It doesn't matter nurses are not needed for BMWs to be priced at BMW prices
CarpWind: But nurses work hard and are good moral people
Ape:..............OK but BMW buyers earn/have enough money to buy BMWs at BMW prices
CarpWind Im not sure that is true, the median person has XXX income which is not enough to buy a BMW
Ape:..............Your figures do not include non earned income
CarpWind Ok non earned income exists but its not as much as you say
Ape:...............So what? BMW buyers irrespective of what you think and feel clearly today are paying BMW prices for BMWs
CarpWind The nurse can not buy a BMW she is a good moral important person
Ape:...............OK but what has that got to do with any of this
CarpWind She should be able to buy a BMW as moving to buying a Ford is unjust the system is thus broken or in a bubble just you wait
Ape:............... I give up the nurse is a moral important person
CarpWind Nobody said that

:wall:

The fact that this represents your understanding of the last 20 pages speaks louder than any reply I can make.