"Housing Market Slumps"

economic

homeless people can find shelter. its usually their own fault they are homeless. look I feel sorry for people who cant afford the properties if they are hard working and adding value to society like nurses. but what do you want me to do about it? give half my money away to nurses? I don't think so.

Windofchange

economic wrote: »

and when did I say nurses were not hard working or smart? seriously I think you have so much anger that you are taking it out on me and whoever opposes your socialist views.

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economic wrote: »

those that are not smart, lucky or hard working and find themselves with little or no money simply do not derserve anything but the most basic housing/food as humanely possoble and nothing else.

I've lost count now of the number of times you've tried to pull me up on something and failed. It was funny, now it is just getting boring.

As for the rest of it.

economic wrote: »

lets make one thing clear NO ONE is entitled to a home. there is always renting. not even the hard working nurses. they get paid what they get paid for a reason - supply demand. same as with property prices. you can keep on rambling on and on but it wont solve anything. maybe if you put more effort into something else you may be in a better position financially?

As I have said I don't know how many times already I agree people can rent, but it would be nice if that were a choice. Some people may prefer to rent for a number of reasons, but at the moment, certainly in London, buying is not an option.

Then we get to your supply and demand point. Again, you're wrong. Just completely and totally wrong.

Last year - 10,000 nursing posts unfilled in London alone.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35242993

From 2017, 96% of NHS trusts fail to cover their shifts due to nursing shortages:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/19/96-per-cent-hospitals-have-nurse-shortages-official-figures/

If as you say supply and demand were at work, nurses pay should be through the roof. There is a massive shortage of supply and huge demand. Another example to add the hundreds already of you not bothering to research the actual facts before pressing buttons on a keyboard.

What exactly are my socialist views? Give me a quote where I have said that I think housing should be free for all? You are one of these people who just hears what they want to hear and comes to the conclusion you want to despite me having put down every single post you have made. All you do is skip straight to the next ill reasoned statement and off we go again. Care to actually respond to any of the above with a defence or will it just be head in the sand again?

Windofchange

Yup, credit has been cheap all over the world and this is where we're at - in my view an asset bubble. I don't think New York, Sydney, etc etc are any better no, but London is certainly up there with them. I've given up trying to predict when / if the bust will happen, but my feeling is it has to head down at some point in the not too distant future. Everyone will have their own feeling, but let me ask you as a reasonable sounding chap - can property go much higher?

Take the example from a few posts ago - At present rates the average London home will be some 38 times the salary of a London nurse in 9 years time. This is my problem with people suggesting that things can just carry on. At a million pounds for the average home in the capital you'll need a salary in 9 years time of around £250,000. Not going to happen for anyone outside the square mile.

economic

Windofchange wrote: »

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On page 5 of this thread.



I've lost count now of the number of times you've tried to pull me up on something and failed. It was funny, now it is just getting boring.

As for the rest of it.



As I have said I don't know how many times already I agree people can rent, but it would be nice if that were a choice. Some people may prefer to rent for a number of reasons, but at the moment, certainly in London, buying is not an option.

Then we get to your supply and demand point. Again, you're wrong. Just completely and totally wrong.

Last year - 10,000 nursing posts unfilled in London alone.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35242993

From 2017, 96% of NHS trusts fail to cover their shifts due to nursing shortages:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/19/96-per-cent-hospitals-have-nurse-shortages-official-figures/

If as you say supply and demand were at work, nurses pay should be through the roof. There is a massive shortage of supply and huge demand. Another example to add the hundreds already of you not bothering to research the actual facts before pressing buttons on a keyboard.

What exactly are my socialist views? Give me a quote where I have said that I think housing should be free for all? You are one of these people who just hears what they want to hear and comes to the conclusion you want to despite me having put down every single post you have made. All you do is skip straight to the next ill reasoned statement and off we go again. Care to actually respond to any of the above with a defence or will it just be head in the sand again?

again when did i say nurses were not hard working? i never said that and you havent provided any proof.

if these shortages of nurses were really a problem, it would be a public outrage and we would be hearing constantly. dont listen to everything u read in the papers, their only purpose is to sell papers even if it over exagarates the problem.

as for me calling you soclialist - agree i shouldnt assume that but by your tone you seem to be one. just like you seem to think by my tone im a nasty person who doesnt care. of course i care and i feel sorry for those less fortunate then me. but it doesnt mean i have to explicitly state this and i certainly dont agree they are entitled to a property. its just an unfortunate position they are in, low wages and high property prices. if they are not happy with the pay then they should just do something else. it really is as simple as that.

the reasons behind the issues discussed are not really understood by you. you think theres a property bubble due to low rates, bankers and landlords propping up prices. this is ridiculous and there is no point even trying to argue with you anymore as i know you are stubborn in your beliefs. there are more like you on this forum (e.g. "Crashy") and look at how they are laughed at by other members.

kilby_007

economic wrote: »

this has got to be one of the funniest and cringeworthy posts from you. taking what i say way out of context, yet again.

homeless people are homeless for many reasons but the obvious one is that they dont have any financial means whatsoever. thats usually their own fault. if they are disabled physically or mentally there is help out there, benefits etc. hell even if they are perfectly fine and fit to work there are benefits for them too. there are even homeless shelters (but from what i understand some homeless people sometimes choose not to use them).

Talking of cringeworthy posts... take your head out of your a$$.

economic

kilby_007 wrote: »

Talking of cringeworthy posts... take your head out of your a$$.

care to explain what you mean by this insulting post?

System

This is one of those threads where people care far more about winning the argument than the argument itself.

Windofchange

economic wrote: »

again when did i say nurses were not hard working? i never said that and you havent provided any proof.

if these shortages of nurses were really a problem, it would be a public outrage and we would be hearing constantly. dont listen to everything u read in the papers, their only purpose is to sell papers even if it over exagarates the problem.

as for me calling you soclialist - agree i shouldnt assume that but by your tone you seem to be one. just like you seem to think by my tone im a nasty person who doesnt care. of course i care and i feel sorry for those less fortunate then me. but it doesnt mean i have to explicitly state this and i certainly dont agree they are entitled to a property. its just an unfortunate position they are in, low wages and high property prices. if they are not happy with the pay then they should just do something else. it really is as simple as that.

the reasons behind the issues discussed are not really understood by you. you think theres a property bubble due to low rates, bankers and landlords propping up prices. this is ridiculous and there is no point even trying to argue with you anymore as i know you are stubborn in your beliefs. there are more like you on this forum (e.g. "Crashy") and look at how they are laughed at by other members.

You are too lazy to even go looking for evidence before being wrong again (again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again).

Shortfall of 9% of the total workforce 23,400 vacant posts (June 2016)

http://www.nursinginpractice.com/article/nurse-shortage-and-pay

15,489 nursing vacancies, or 6.5% in 2014 - NHS.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/500288/Clinical_workforce_report.pdf

NHS employers website - "Nursing included on shortage occupation list"

http://www.nhsemployers.org/your-workforce/recruit/employer-led-recruitment/international-recruitment/immigration-rules-and-the-points-based-system/overseas-nurses-and-midwives

I am a senior clinician in the NHS. You have no idea what you are talking about. Absolutely none. The shortage in the NHS, and not just in terms of nurses is absolutely real. Once again you just dismiss it because it doesn't fit in with what you think. You offer nothing to backup your view other than oh the papers are lying because I say so and I'm just right.

You don't give a toss. You have put so much vitriol up here about tough luck, don't care, they should have chosen a better career, screw the homeless etc etc. You have embarrassed yourself and are now trying to back pedal. I might start a new thread with some of your comments about the homeless, nurses, poorer people in society in general and lets see how many people on here pat you on the back.

I deal with this day in, day out. I deal with the homeless, the poor, the rich and every cross section of society. You and people like you are a stain on the pants of society. Arguing is just what you are doing, like my 2 year old niece does when she wants something but can't understand why she can't have it. I have given you so so so many counter arguments with factual links and documents and all you are capable of is blah blah blah something came into my head, dribble.

I am very much a capitalist, but within that I am capable of reasoning that there are some very real problems within the current system. Being a capitalist does not preclude me from feeling remorse for those screwed by the current status quo. I am beyond lucky with my lot in life.

Today one of our patients lost his life on intensive care. His family didn't make it in time. The last people he saw were me and some of our nurses. He was a drug user. Born on the wrong side of the lines.

You are yet to address any of the questions I have put to you. This is because you have been embarrassed. You couldn't argue your way out of a paper bag. I'd have better used my time these past few days smacking my head with a plank of wood.

Windofchange

economic wrote: »

this has got to be one of the funniest and cringeworthy posts from you. taking what i say way out of context, yet again.

homeless people are homeless for many reasons but the obvious one is that they dont have any financial means whatsoever. thats usually their own fault. if they are disabled physically or mentally there is help out there, benefits etc. hell even if they are perfectly fine and fit to work there are benefits for them too. there are even homeless shelters (but from what i understand some homeless people sometimes choose not to use them).

I'm done with you. Horrible horrible human being.

Windofchange

Joeskeppi wrote: »

This is one of those threads where people care far more about winning the argument than the argument itself.

You know what, for the first time on this forum I probably agree with you. I've got a headache. I'm done.