Unsucessful at shortlisting stage would like feedback

Kynthia

You're unlikely to get feedback at the shortlisting stage because they might not have kept detailed records of every cv received and why it failed to get an interview due to volume, or because they have to reduce the number somehow and don't want to admit they had to be petty or just cut off looking at some point. You are much more likely to get feedback from an interview as they will have more records, less volume and be able to comment more about you as an individual.

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Most new organisations/teams rarely have a clue as I'm painfully aware - wouldn't be surprised they have actually cut the numbers and the position may pre present quicker then imagined on a good point.

At nearly 2 months to keep hearing "we're in our infancy" (We would never get away with saying we're new in the job role I'm sure) when things didn't go how the calming but now known under recruitment would have suggested and has eventually brought the trouble shooters in - I can't begin to say how I wish I'd put more thought in as I think it's going to be a costly decision made alright.

You've a lucky escape as I've certainly never felt so het up with the way things been handled and some of the logics just not making sense.

Savvy_Sue

Our standard response says we don't give feedback, but that those shortlisted will have better demonstrated how they met the essential and desirable criteria in our person spec.

You may have lots of experience, but you may not have as much as others who applied. You may have lots of experience, but you may not have evidenced it well.

PixelPound

You say you didn't get shortlisted. Do you mean you were rejected at initial application stage? I would have thought its common practice not to give feedback at this stage, who knows how many applications they got. Companies don't necessarily examine each CV in detail, and if you read on recruitment sites, then a CV is often only glanced at for 10-15 seconds before it will be rejected.

Not sure why you have asked for opinions if you have gone and cc'd the boss in anyway, but you may strike lucky, or forever rule out future attempts at this dream job.

pandora205

When we shortlist we use the job description and person specification to select candidates. One of the most common errors is not to write the application to address the criteria that are essential for the post. Previous experience is valuable only if it is relevant to the requirements of the job being advertised.

The other reason for not shortlisting is that candidates do not have the qualifications for the post. It doesn't matter what else they have studied if they are not qualified for the position that is being advertised.

I am not saying these are the reasons that the OP has not been shortlisted but they are good places to start. It isn't usual to give feedback at the shortlisting stage, not least as for some positions there can be dozens of applicants.

bb69

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

Our standard response says we don't give feedback, but that those shortlisted will have better demonstrated how they met the essential and desirable criteria in our person spec.

You may have lots of experience, but you may not have as much as others who applied. You may have lots of experience, but you may not have evidenced it well.

Yeah thanks it has to be not evidenced well enough. Plan on working on revising my application incase they go for a 2nd round of recruitment

nic_c wrote: »

You say you didn't get shortlisted. Do you mean you were rejected at initial application stage? I would have thought its common practice not to give feedback at this stage, who knows how many applications they got. Companies don't necessarily examine each CV in detail, and if you read on recruitment sites, then a CV is often only glanced at for 10-15 seconds before it will be rejected.

Not sure why you have asked for opinions if you have gone and cc'd the boss in anyway, but you may strike lucky, or forever rule out future attempts at this dream job.

I wished them the best with the set up of the organisation thats all. If a genuine good wish email is criteria for not getting a job in future what is the world coming to!
Job applications are anonymous until shortlisting stage

pandora205 wrote: »

When we shortlist we use the job description and person specification to select candidates. One of the most common errors is not to write the application to address the criteria that are essential for the post. Previous experience is valuable only if it is relevant to the requirements of the job being advertised.

The other reason for not shortlisting is that candidates do not have the qualifications for the post. It doesn't matter what else they have studied if they are not qualified for the position that is being advertised.

I am not saying these are the reasons that the OP has not been shortlisted but they are good places to start. It isn't usual to give feedback at the shortlisting stage, not least as for some positions there can be dozens of applicants.

Thanks I have picked my application to pieces and can see where I can improve its interesting - I have 2 diploma's and an MSc

Essential criteria was degree or equivalent and MSc or experience of working at that level

So not sure if that matters

Any tips on how to structure application supporting statement
I wrote essay style, but will try and work a version with headings based on person spec so what I have is clearly demonstrated

jobbingmusician

A fair recruiter will shortlist on 3 criteria

1. How well the PS requirements are met. The PS and JS should form the core of your application.

2. The presentation and accuracy of your application. Your general writing style seems OK, but... (and I appreciate this is a casual forum)

bb69 wrote: »

.... incase they go for a 2nd round of recruitment....


I have 2 diploma's.....

3. CV to date (they might be looking for job consistency - 20 years in the same job - or a breadth of knowledge evidenced by loads of shorter jobs. Who can tell?)

An overwhelmed shortlister might also shortlist on

4. Luck (I am sure you have heard the story of shortlisters binning 50% of applications - the unlucky ones - on the basis that 'we don't want unlucky people working for us')

Good luck in the future!

robatwork

KiKi wrote: »

I appreciate you don't give feedback as standard for shortlisting, so I know this is a big ask! However, if you were able to share any reasons that could help me for the future I'd be very grateful.

Not a terrible letter, but if I got one using the word ask as a noun it would hit the bin as a crumpled ball within 50 milliseconds. This is a job interview not a sports report.

jobbingmusician wrote: »

2. The presentation and accuracy of your application. Your general writing style seems OK, but... (and I appreciate this is a casual forum)

Originally Posted by bb69 View PostOriginally Posted by bb69 View Post
.... incase they go for a 2nd round of recruitment....


I have 2 diploma's.....

Just in case you aren't clear what JM meant - in case is 2 words, diplomas doesn't get pluralised by adding an apostrophe.

KiKi

robatwork wrote: »

Not a terrible letter, but if I got one using the word ask as a noun it would hit the bin as a crumpled ball within 50 milliseconds.

That's your prerogative. Thankfully most of the people and organisations I work with wouldn't be so dismissive towards someone looking to understand how they can improve.

KiKi

bb69

jobbingmusician wrote: »

A fair recruiter will shortlist on 3 criteria

1. How well the PS requirements are met. The PS and JS should form the core of your application.

2. The presentation and accuracy of your application. Your general writing style seems OK, but... (and I appreciate this is a casual forum)

3. CV to date (they might be looking for job consistency - 20 years in the same job - or a breadth of knowledge evidenced by loads of shorter jobs. Who can tell?)

An overwhelmed shortlister might also shortlist on

4. Luck (I am sure you have heard the story of shortlisters binning 50% of applications - the unlucky ones - on the basis that 'we don't want unlucky people working for us')

Good luck in the future!

robatwork wrote: »

Not a terrible letter, but if I got one using the word ask as a noun it would hit the bin as a crumpled ball within 50 milliseconds. This is a job interview not a sports report.



Just in case you aren't clear what JM meant - in case is 2 words, diplomas doesn't get pluralised by adding an apostrophe.

Ah I can see where I went wrong.. Writing my person spec using text speak and emojis

Thanks guys :rotfl::D:D